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DeepTech

DeLeon vs Ace250

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ohp800max

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Hi all! New to the site and looking for your advice and input on the DeLeon. I mostly detect old home sites, parks, etc in Oklahoma, looking mostly for coins/jewelry. I currently have an Ace250 that has served me well, but is lacking in some areas. I am very interested in the DeLeon and I wanted your opinions. #1. How deep is the Deleon as compared to the 250? #2. Would you consider the Deleon an upgrade to the 250? Just looking at the possibility of the Deleon being a little more versatile machine than the 250. I've also had some shoulder operations, so I think the light weight of the Deleon will definitely be nice! Opinions, advice, recommendations would be greatly appreciated!!!!!

ohp800max
 
The Deleon is a little better than the 250 , but is not going to blow the doors of it. That 250 is a decent machine for the casual park coin shooter. For the old home sites and relic hunting the ID features of the Deleon won't be too important, manual ground balance could become very important. I would suggest that you add a Vaquero, or Tijon, and also keep the 250 for now for when you might want some notch or Id features.

No Id machine is as fast as Non metered machines, and the Tijon is one of the top rated relic machines out there.
 
garwha said:
The Deleon is a little better than the 250 , but is not going to blow the doors of it. That 250 is a decent machine for the casual park coin shooter. For the old home sites and relic hunting the ID features of the Deleon won't be too important, manual ground balance could become very important. I would suggest that you add a Vaquero, or Tijon, and also keep the 250 for now for when you might want some notch or Id features.

No Id machine is as fast as Non metered machines, and the Tijon is one of the top rated relic machines out there.
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Thanks for the response. I'm really thinking hard on the Vaquero for homesites, etc. Interesting you mentioned that model. Any experience, tip or tricks with the Vaquero?
 
Even though I own both machines, I can't answer your questions because I was only able to get about an hour on my Deleon before the first snow fall. I would however consider the Deleon a few steps up from the Ace. Don't get me wrong, the Ace is a great machine. Both actually weigh about the same so that shouldn't be a problem.

I too have had 3 shoulder surgeries and I totally understand about the weight of a machine. I have an omega 8000 and really really love that machine. I liked it so much that I bought a T2. The T2 weighs more than the Omega but because it is so well balanced, you don't notice it a lot at all. If I had to pick between those two, it would be the Omega with the DD coil because it can notch in nickles.

With the Deleon, the short time I had to use it, there were a few things that I liked about it. I ran across one signal that showed multiple bars from nickle on up. Most of the time I would have passed that up as trash but because the signal was so good and so strong I decided to dig. I found a small cache of 7 coins in the hole. 2 quarters, 1 nickle, 1 dime and 3 pennies. That really surprised me because the machine basically told me that all of those items were there.

It will suffer from overload signals if the coil is too close to the object, closer than most other machines, but all you have to do is lift the coil straight up a little and let the machine do it's work. It really is an amazing little machine.

I can't wait now until the spring to get it out again.

Best of luck on your decision. I honestly don't think you will go wrong if you do go with the Deleon.

Good luck to you and Welcome to the Forum!! :)
 
lafatlife said:
Even though I own both machines, I can't answer your questions because I was only able to get about an hour on my Deleon before the first snow fall. I would however consider the Deleon a few steps up from the Ace. Don't get me wrong, the Ace is a great machine. Both actually weigh about the same so that shouldn't be a problem.

I too have had 3 shoulder surgeries and I totally understand about the weight of a machine. I have an omega 8000 and really really love that machine. I liked it so much that I bought a T2. The T2 weighs more than the Omega but because it is so well balanced, you don't notice it a lot at all. If I had to pick between those two, it would be the Omega with the DD coil because it can notch in nickles.

With the Deleon, the short time I had to use it, there were a few things that I liked about it. I ran across one signal that showed multiple bars from nickle on up. Most of the time I would have passed that up as trash but because the signal was so good and so strong I decided to dig. I found a small cache of 7 coins in the hole. 2 quarters, 1 nickle, 1 dime and 3 pennies. That really surprised me because the machine basically told me that all of those items were there.

It will suffer from overload signals if the coil is too close to the object, closer than most other machines, but all you have to do is lift the coil straight up a little and let the machine do it's work. It really is an amazing little machine.

I can't wait now until the spring to get it out again.

Best of luck on your decision. I honestly don't think you will go wrong if you do go with the Deleon.

Good luck to you and Welcome to the Forum!! :)
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Thanks a lot! I'm really enjoying learning about the Tesoros on this forum. Decisions, Decisions! Vaquero, Deleon????
 
Hi

Here's a link to a field test of the british version of the De Leon, the Laser Hawkeye.

Laser Hawkeye field test

As you will read, the hawkeye is an excellent relic hunter. It has a second ID pattern for relics.

The ACE"s 6.5 Khz makes it an excellent coinshooter, but a poor relic hunter (at least on typical European relics, where tesoroes excell).

HH
 
Welcome to the site ohp800max! Glad to see you made it over here. This is one of te best Tesoro sites around. You will get some good replies, Beale.
 
If you ha ve read any other posts about the DeLeon there is a chance you will see my replies and praises for what I think is a great machine, so I wont repeat them all here. If anyone were disappointed with the De Leon, then I would say that they haven't learnt how to use it properly or they are very hard to please or perhaps they have bought the wrong machine for their purposes.
 
I've been quite pleased with my DeLeon. As Lafatlife posted, if one gets a solid signal with multiple or confusing IDs, DIG. It is very likely to be a coin spill with multiple coins. Not knocking the ACE, but I believe the DeLeon is a bit deeper and has a broader coil selection.
HH
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I think your first reply really hit the nail on the head. The Deleon is an excellent machine and is my one and only land machine now as it suits all the types of hunting I do. However, I don't believe it will "knock the socks off" an Ace 250. His recommendation of a Vaquero or Tejon for relic hunting is right on. In relic hunting you should be digging almost all targets so target id is less important than raw depth which both the Vaquero and Tejon are well known for. Once you've used a sound only machine for a while it will tell you volumes about the target simply from the sound, loudness of signal and the way the signal breaks on discrimination, TID machines are fun and I truly love my Deleon but years of hunting with non TID machines showed me that you don't need a screen to hunt and hunt well, just practice.

Good luck with whatever machine you choose, you can't go wrong with a Tesoro.
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no comparrison the deleon will eat up any ace any day of the week even in bad soil the only thing the deleon doesn'nt do to great is the depth meter is all over the place which is no big deal just lift your coil until the signal goes away and that will tell you your depth but i've owned four of them got a first with each one i;ve owned!
 
Thanks for the replies guys. I'm under snow right now, but when we thaw out a bit, I'm going to do a depth comparison between all of my detectors. They will be the Whites MXT, Ace250, GB modded Cibola, and Cutlass II Umax. I will post the results when I get finished. I did a quick comparison of the Ace, Cutlass, and MXT a few days ago. Had a penny, nickle, dime, and quarter all at 4 to 5 inches in cold, wet soil. The Cutlass and MXT picked them all up, but the Ace would not pick up the nickle even at full sensitivity in any mode. The Cutlass pounded them all with a little hesitance on the Nickle, but still picked it up. The MXT hammered them all, but had a strange reading on the screen when it came to the nickle. It flashed back and forth between a nickle and overload, but it hammered them. I'll be interested to see how the modded Cibola does. I'll do a more thorough test when the weather allows and I'll keep you posted.

ohp800max
 
Hi I have a question for you because you said you have a cutlass II U max,I already posted a question on the forum a few minutes ago but I figured seeing you had one.I am getting an older cutlass and I am wondering if you can use differnt coils with it? thanks a lot Lloyd
 
I have used both machines. There are pros and cons for each unit.
Depth isn't an issue they seemed about the same.
Target separation, the edge went to the Deleon.
Masked targets, the winner is the 250.
Nickles, the Deleon.
Overall tuneability, the Deleon. (I don't like the soft pads of he 250, this is a personal thing.)
Letting me know if it is one of those pesky foil drink covers, the 250.
Pinpointing, the Deleon. I never got used to the detuning of the 250.

all in all I thought that they were both good machines, just different. For coin shooting, especially US coins, you can't go wrong either way. If you were buying new the 250 would win hands down due to the price point. I would have liked a manual GB on either unit.
 
I thought that was a good review, petersv. I have the Ace and the Silver umax. The Silver umax's learning curve was almost instantaneous. It took longer to figure out the Ace-I almost sold it. It was all about sensitivity-sorta like a kitten I once had. I sneaked up behind him and went pfff-f-f-t! and he went about 2 feet in the air STILL in the sitting position. Go above 4 bars sensitivity and the Ace, in certain areas, can irritate. There's hardly ever any such misery with a Tesoro. If the Deleon had tones it would replace my Ace. The Ace's features are hard to beat for the price. Too bad there's not a Deleonace!
 
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