I have a Vaquero. Today I tried a freinds a Radio Shack detector (Bounty Hunter) that has a digital TID. I saw how the TID jumped back and forth bewteen iron/foil, pulltab and s-caps when a pulltab was detected and it did the same dance with screwcaps. It locked solidly onto some zink pennies but not all. This park has very mild soil and all the items were just 3" deep. In mild soil, does the Deleon and Cortes TID behave the same, not knowing where to settle?
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Deleon, Cortes TID
- Thread starter jabbo
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Yes and no. Keep in mind that the swing back and forth does not hit the target EXACTLY the same each time. So it will give slightly different signals each time, especially on something oddly shaped of a coin on edge, etc. One swing doesn't do it. After multiple swings and watching the TID graph on the Tesoro's, you will get a mental average of what the unit is trying to tell you. The SUM feature on the Cortes does this slightly better, displaying a graph reading of the comparisons automatically after about 7 passes. No TID unit is going to screem "trash" or "quarter", though some are pretty good at being 90% accurate under good conditions.
Also keep in mind that Tesoro says to use the TID in conjunction with the sound. The graph, TID number and sound on either Tesoro's are fantastic for telling you whats in the ground, but only after you get used to it.
Also keep in mind that Tesoro says to use the TID in conjunction with the sound. The graph, TID number and sound on either Tesoro's are fantastic for telling you whats in the ground, but only after you get used to it.
rentasquid
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You said " No TID unit is going to screem "trash" or "quarter"". I owned a Cortes, and now own a Xterra 50. Both of them scream trash...I know when it is trash, and I know when it is a quarter. Trash jumps all over, with inconsistant readings. Quarters are pretty stable in the opposite way. Not much bouncing around for a target of that mass. Now, I would agree with you if it was really deep, but I'm guessing that you were talking about a "normal" hunting range(Like in modern parks). Or, if the target is buried in trash. Again, in typical settings, mine was pretty stable.
Not trying to be condtradictive, but that was my experience in a highly mineralized area.
J.
Not trying to be condtradictive, but that was my experience in a highly mineralized area.
J.
I should have said that TID machines are not always perfect in IDing. I have had units that say "quarter" and found washers or even cans. But I had iffy signals that was an earring. My experience is that because it says quarter doesn't always mean that it is a quarter. But thats just my experience and I haven't tried all detectors.
rentasquid
New member
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for gold jewelry. I agree TID will correctly ID coins if not too deep, but unfortunatly gold jewelry pieces of every size and shape fall somewhere in that huge range between FOIL and SCREW CAPS. TID will help jewelry hunters avoid shallow coins but junk has to be dug. Many times I don't dig if I think it's a penny, dug one that turned out to be a heavy 20" .925 silver chain.
good point jabbo if one is out for coin, jewelry, and relics is tid
really any good. I like to dig everything because i always second guess
myself and say what if. So would a tid machine be pointless, I
understand that the reading could be different depending on the depth
so how does one really know for sure? Anybody have any input on this
not too familiar with tid.
really any good. I like to dig everything because i always second guess
myself and say what if. So would a tid machine be pointless, I
understand that the reading could be different depending on the depth
so how does one really know for sure? Anybody have any input on this
not too familiar with tid.
The TID is very useful for certain types of hunting/targets. If you want to only coin hunt I don't know if it buys you that much really. You turn your disc up and be done with it, and don't complain about not getting a lot of jewellry. This really only works on copper, silver and U.S. coinage for most makes and models.
If you want to park prospect, small gold, you have to leave your iron in to some degree. Small gold will read well into the iron range. This is where TID will help you out to a greater degree. Only to the level that you know your machine though. You are using a Deleon, correct? A very good machine just not for me. For hunting Canadian coins the Vaquero was better and different. My US clad count jumped like crazy when using the Leo, Canadian, suffered.
More importantly than where the TID locks on is how it jumps around for your unit. Gold tends not to slide around too much but can bounce repeatedly usually to the same or close to the same values. The secret I think is where the base line reading is and the range on the TID.
This is why TID! It is an augmentation to the bag of tricks that you can use to help lower your level of trash haul or help focus in on a range of goodies not eliminate it. I primarily hunt parks and beaches so I have to focus on what is good for me, coins and jewellry. To cherry pick any machine will do.
You could also just lower your TID to just crackle on small iron and start digging everything else. It is up to you.
Just my .02 dollars.
If you want to park prospect, small gold, you have to leave your iron in to some degree. Small gold will read well into the iron range. This is where TID will help you out to a greater degree. Only to the level that you know your machine though. You are using a Deleon, correct? A very good machine just not for me. For hunting Canadian coins the Vaquero was better and different. My US clad count jumped like crazy when using the Leo, Canadian, suffered.
More importantly than where the TID locks on is how it jumps around for your unit. Gold tends not to slide around too much but can bounce repeatedly usually to the same or close to the same values. The secret I think is where the base line reading is and the range on the TID.
This is why TID! It is an augmentation to the bag of tricks that you can use to help lower your level of trash haul or help focus in on a range of goodies not eliminate it. I primarily hunt parks and beaches so I have to focus on what is good for me, coins and jewellry. To cherry pick any machine will do.
You could also just lower your TID to just crackle on small iron and start digging everything else. It is up to you.
Just my .02 dollars.
[size=small]Gold jewelry: gold jewelry pieces of every size and shape fall somewhere in that huge range between FOIL and SCREW CAPS. TID will help jewelry hunters avoid shallow coins but junk has to be dug.
It's been said elsewhere that 90% of jewelry lost is lost in the water or witin 10 feet of it. That leaves 10% on land. Food for thought.
I have turned up jewelry at every conceivable point on the scale, though, from foil right on up into coin range. But the majority falls smack in the middle of nickle - pulltab territory. So, I set up for foil and tend to look at DISC as 'iron blanking' more than anything else.
I know one fellow who notches out ALL coins and doesn't bother digging them. He'll go out searching and come home with nothing but trash, day after day. He only reacts to midrange targets. This particular "knucklehead" has very few coins, a mountain of trash - - and a heap of rings and other jewelry to show for his efforts.
I have never been able to pass over money, so this sort of set-up doesn't work for me. But if you have that sort of discipline, it can pay off.
Many times I don't dig if I think it's a penny, dug one that turned out to be a heavy 20" .925 silver chain.
Last year I was searching a park infested with screwcaps. It was formerly the druggie and wino hangout and I was tiring of finding the things, to be honest. When I twiddled the DISC knob on my Vaquero/5.75 to read yet another screwcap, I ho-hummed and dug what I thought would indeed BE a twist off - like I said, that's what I thought.
Instead, what I found was someones gold teeth, and I mean GOLD teeth. The whole front of their mouth was missing, it seemed! The entire upper bridge lay in my hand and it was the old kind, not that modern, fleamarket "grillework." Good, solid dental gold - and plenty of it. My point? Same as the above note - things masquerade as something else.[/size]
It's been said elsewhere that 90% of jewelry lost is lost in the water or witin 10 feet of it. That leaves 10% on land. Food for thought.
I have turned up jewelry at every conceivable point on the scale, though, from foil right on up into coin range. But the majority falls smack in the middle of nickle - pulltab territory. So, I set up for foil and tend to look at DISC as 'iron blanking' more than anything else.
I know one fellow who notches out ALL coins and doesn't bother digging them. He'll go out searching and come home with nothing but trash, day after day. He only reacts to midrange targets. This particular "knucklehead" has very few coins, a mountain of trash - - and a heap of rings and other jewelry to show for his efforts.
I have never been able to pass over money, so this sort of set-up doesn't work for me. But if you have that sort of discipline, it can pay off.
Many times I don't dig if I think it's a penny, dug one that turned out to be a heavy 20" .925 silver chain.
Last year I was searching a park infested with screwcaps. It was formerly the druggie and wino hangout and I was tiring of finding the things, to be honest. When I twiddled the DISC knob on my Vaquero/5.75 to read yet another screwcap, I ho-hummed and dug what I thought would indeed BE a twist off - like I said, that's what I thought.
Instead, what I found was someones gold teeth, and I mean GOLD teeth. The whole front of their mouth was missing, it seemed! The entire upper bridge lay in my hand and it was the old kind, not that modern, fleamarket "grillework." Good, solid dental gold - and plenty of it. My point? Same as the above note - things masquerade as something else.[/size]
jackintexas
New member
The detector doesn't know if it a quarter or not. It is reading the conductivity of the target. If another object has the same conductivity of a quarter or any other coin it will read as if it is that coin.
90% of jewelry in or near water, good thing to keep in mind since I'm only 1 hour from the shore. I dig too many pulltabs in parks looking for jewelry. Hate digging pennies too, but they could be silver jewelry signals. I carry a girls 14K charm bracelet with me and throw it on the ground at times for discrim. testing while in a park. It's small and won't beep above the foil range, so now I check out foil too. If detectors could ID aluminum as being aluminum then we would have it knocked. Hey, I need those teeth, I'm tired of eating oatmeal.
90% of jewelry in or near water, good thing to keep in mind since I'm only 1 hour from the shore.
And jabbo consider ANY shore, not just the ocean. Im convinced this 90% number is realistic. Heres why.
We have small local swim beach, really just the residents know about it. This season I took 9 rings from it and my friend took 4 weekends - total time about 10 hours.
We hit rings on every visit - several very nice ones. That is with little trash and nice cool water. The rings were from ankle to chest deep with the most being thigh to waist deep.
This little swim area is on a freahwater lake and is about 10 minutes from my house! So look around your area!
I dig too many pulltabs in parks looking for jewelry. Hate digging pennies too, but they could be silver jewelry signals.
By comparison, I can't recall the last time I found a ring while land hunting. Just about everything else, but no rings. Oh, I have in the past, but I can hunt all year and not find as many as I found in those few hours at te local pond-side beach.
I carry a girls 14K charm bracelet with me and throw it on the ground at times for discrim. testing while in a park. It's small and won't beep above the foil range, so now I check out foil too.
I found a NICE 14K scorpion charm last year, that signalled like really bad foil. The only reason I dug it up was I was tipped off to it's whereabouts.
Hey, I need those teeth, I'm tired of eating oatmeal.
Sorry, mate - Pirates Rules. The gold satys with me, arrrrgh!
I hear cottage cheese is nice...
And jabbo consider ANY shore, not just the ocean. Im convinced this 90% number is realistic. Heres why.
We have small local swim beach, really just the residents know about it. This season I took 9 rings from it and my friend took 4 weekends - total time about 10 hours.
We hit rings on every visit - several very nice ones. That is with little trash and nice cool water. The rings were from ankle to chest deep with the most being thigh to waist deep.
This little swim area is on a freahwater lake and is about 10 minutes from my house! So look around your area!
I dig too many pulltabs in parks looking for jewelry. Hate digging pennies too, but they could be silver jewelry signals.
By comparison, I can't recall the last time I found a ring while land hunting. Just about everything else, but no rings. Oh, I have in the past, but I can hunt all year and not find as many as I found in those few hours at te local pond-side beach.
I carry a girls 14K charm bracelet with me and throw it on the ground at times for discrim. testing while in a park. It's small and won't beep above the foil range, so now I check out foil too.
I found a NICE 14K scorpion charm last year, that signalled like really bad foil. The only reason I dug it up was I was tipped off to it's whereabouts.
Hey, I need those teeth, I'm tired of eating oatmeal.
Sorry, mate - Pirates Rules. The gold satys with me, arrrrgh!
I hear cottage cheese is nice...