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Hi - the best way to get advice on this forum is to be fairly specific with your request.
Thats like asking how long is a piece of string.
Ie - for what application? what is the ground like? is there a lot of trash? is it on the beach? dry sand/wet sand?
In GENERAL physics dictate that the larger the search coil the deeper the detector will see.
If you search this forum for all posts containing the word coil you will already have a lot of good information.
Good luck!
John
Thats like asking how long is a piece of string.
Ie - for what application? what is the ground like? is there a lot of trash? is it on the beach? dry sand/wet sand?
In GENERAL physics dictate that the larger the search coil the deeper the detector will see.
If you search this forum for all posts containing the word coil you will already have a lot of good information.
Good luck!
John
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I have noticed alot of other coils being compared to the stock coil. I did pretty good with the stock coil but 7-8 inches was the deepest coins I ever got with it. I bought a 14 inch excellerator coil and have got dimes at 9 inches and in the sand it is unreal, I got several quarters at 16 - 18 inches. From what I have found The 14 inch ex, coil is deeper smoother and has a larger foot print than the stock coil. Don't let the size fool ya, for a big coil it does a real decent jof in trash.
So in short to answer the qustion you ask from my umble point of view the excellerator coils are the deepest the have out there. Not downing any others out there just have not read where any one has found one deeper yet.
Ray
So in short to answer the qustion you ask from my umble point of view the excellerator coils are the deepest the have out there. Not downing any others out there just have not read where any one has found one deeper yet.
Ray
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When I tried my MXT with my VERY HEAVY excelerator 14" DD coil s/n,
I found it had a good foot print but the 60 cycle was tearing up the signal so all I could get on a nickel was 5 1/2".
The Target ID using the Excelerator was not locking on as good as the Hot Shot or 950 Loop using BOTH the DFX and MXT in the Discrimination Mode.
Applied Creativity's Missions Statement was to produce the deepest detecting concentric loop without losing sensitivity for BOTH the Mxt and Dual Frequency DFX. The 12 Hot Shot was approximately one year in the making to get it RIGHT!
The Loop Geometry engineered into the Hot Shot has the following advantages...
* Wider Window or Footprint over the 950
* Concentric Design Reaches Out Deeper over Double D
* Built in Advanced Technology to cancel out ground noise more efficiency
* Twin Received Coil Design for greater sensitivity to micro jewelry and small gold nuggets
* Loop Geometry calibrated to accurately ID in the DISCRIMINATION mode. (far easier to wind a loop and make it work JUST in the all metal mode so how well does it target ID in the ground using the motion discrimination filters).
* Concentric Design cancels out trash (crown or bottle cap) with less effort over double D design.
* Hot Shot's Concentric Design Minimizes 60 cycle as opposed to double D which increases it.
The 12" Hot Shot is approved by White's and will not adversely affect your warranty.
Expect approximately 30% better depth in discrimination mode with the Hot Shot over the standard 950.
Incidentally, Jim Karbowski, the 'Wizard of Loop' ONLY designs his search coils (Magnum Series, Eliminator, Big Foot, Hot Foot, Gold Foot and Hot Shot) for White's Detectors with your satisfaction guaranteed, marketed through Jimmy Sierra Dealers. What do you have to lose (certainly not depth)?
I found it had a good foot print but the 60 cycle was tearing up the signal so all I could get on a nickel was 5 1/2".
The Target ID using the Excelerator was not locking on as good as the Hot Shot or 950 Loop using BOTH the DFX and MXT in the Discrimination Mode.
Applied Creativity's Missions Statement was to produce the deepest detecting concentric loop without losing sensitivity for BOTH the Mxt and Dual Frequency DFX. The 12 Hot Shot was approximately one year in the making to get it RIGHT!
The Loop Geometry engineered into the Hot Shot has the following advantages...
* Wider Window or Footprint over the 950
* Concentric Design Reaches Out Deeper over Double D
* Built in Advanced Technology to cancel out ground noise more efficiency
* Twin Received Coil Design for greater sensitivity to micro jewelry and small gold nuggets
* Loop Geometry calibrated to accurately ID in the DISCRIMINATION mode. (far easier to wind a loop and make it work JUST in the all metal mode so how well does it target ID in the ground using the motion discrimination filters).
* Concentric Design cancels out trash (crown or bottle cap) with less effort over double D design.
* Hot Shot's Concentric Design Minimizes 60 cycle as opposed to double D which increases it.
The 12" Hot Shot is approved by White's and will not adversely affect your warranty.
Expect approximately 30% better depth in discrimination mode with the Hot Shot over the standard 950.
Incidentally, Jim Karbowski, the 'Wizard of Loop' ONLY designs his search coils (Magnum Series, Eliminator, Big Foot, Hot Foot, Gold Foot and Hot Shot) for White's Detectors with your satisfaction guaranteed, marketed through Jimmy Sierra Dealers. What do you have to lose (certainly not depth)?
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an example of what it is you want it to go "deep" for or the environment.
For example, a 14" coil might get more <EM>depth</EM> if you are looking for a larger object, such as a manhole cover. A smaller coil, such as the 5" Excelerator coil I use most of the time on my MXT will not come close to a 14" coil's attainable <EM>depth</EM> on a larger target.
Yet, try some of the trashy environments I generally hunt, be it a local park with ground phase readings of 82 to 87 and with a dense scattering of modern trash, or a ghost town environment where nails and other small, rusty pieces of junk are closely littered about the site, and a stock 950 or any larger coil will be at a disadvange for any single-target detecetion, and surely won't get the <EM>"depth"</EM> that I can with a 5" Excelerator plucking targets between trash.
Define the types of targets you refer to and describe the environment where you intend to hunt and it would be easier to give a single-coil suggestion. However, to be quite honest, in the end you will still be better served if you have a battery of at least two (2) and better still three (3) search coils for your MXT.
My 3-coil battery right now consists of the 5" Excelerator coil, which is my primary-use coil. The stock 950 at the ready for many sites where I want a little better coverage and depth of detection and it is only moderate to mellow trash. My third coil is a 14" Excelerator for the more open, lesser-target rich sites where I mainly want to have the benefit of coverage with a little bit of added depth.
On larger-sized targets the bigger the coil the better the depth. However, for smaller, coin-sized or button-sized targets, there is usually not all that much difference in depth of detecion between a lot of coils. Benefits are lighter weight and better 'feel' when using the smaller coils as well as working in and amongst trash better. Larger-than-stock coil will <EM>usually</EM> provide a little better coverage.
<EM><STRONG>Monte</EM></STRONG>
Questions? E-mail me at: MonteVB@comcast.net
For example, a 14" coil might get more <EM>depth</EM> if you are looking for a larger object, such as a manhole cover. A smaller coil, such as the 5" Excelerator coil I use most of the time on my MXT will not come close to a 14" coil's attainable <EM>depth</EM> on a larger target.
Yet, try some of the trashy environments I generally hunt, be it a local park with ground phase readings of 82 to 87 and with a dense scattering of modern trash, or a ghost town environment where nails and other small, rusty pieces of junk are closely littered about the site, and a stock 950 or any larger coil will be at a disadvange for any single-target detecetion, and surely won't get the <EM>"depth"</EM> that I can with a 5" Excelerator plucking targets between trash.
Define the types of targets you refer to and describe the environment where you intend to hunt and it would be easier to give a single-coil suggestion. However, to be quite honest, in the end you will still be better served if you have a battery of at least two (2) and better still three (3) search coils for your MXT.
My 3-coil battery right now consists of the 5" Excelerator coil, which is my primary-use coil. The stock 950 at the ready for many sites where I want a little better coverage and depth of detection and it is only moderate to mellow trash. My third coil is a 14" Excelerator for the more open, lesser-target rich sites where I mainly want to have the benefit of coverage with a little bit of added depth.
On larger-sized targets the bigger the coil the better the depth. However, for smaller, coin-sized or button-sized targets, there is usually not all that much difference in depth of detecion between a lot of coils. Benefits are lighter weight and better 'feel' when using the smaller coils as well as working in and amongst trash better. Larger-than-stock coil will <EM>usually</EM> provide a little better coverage.
<EM><STRONG>Monte</EM></STRONG>
Questions? E-mail me at: MonteVB@comcast.net
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with your EXcellerator call me and I will take care of it. I don't have any record of you purchasing one from us but I still would replace it if the coil is under warranty.
JW
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As a rule I have preferred a smaller-than-stock coil for most of my detecting applications. Even with the Classic III, Classic IDX & IDX Pro, XL Pro, XLT and MXT which come standard with a 950 coil, my preferred coil of choice has been a 4", 5" or 6
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Monte
I appreciate your passing the info gained from your extensive testing along to the rest of us. Although I don't currently have the MXT, I certainly would consider the Excelerator coils when and if I do get another one.
Although I have run into some areas where the 12.5" Excel mounted on the Advantage is subject to RF, those same areas have had more or less of an effect on other machines even when using smaller coils. I am very satisfied with the 12.5" size and sold the WOT I had to compare. I could not see any real benefit in the added size and weight of the WOT versus the 12.5" Excel coil. The actual difference in size is only 1 3/4" and the WOT weighed almost a full half pound more!
One question for you Monte, is the extra ground coverage the reason you favor the 14" over the 12.5" on the MXT?
Regards
Tom
I appreciate your passing the info gained from your extensive testing along to the rest of us. Although I don't currently have the MXT, I certainly would consider the Excelerator coils when and if I do get another one.
Although I have run into some areas where the 12.5" Excel mounted on the Advantage is subject to RF, those same areas have had more or less of an effect on other machines even when using smaller coils. I am very satisfied with the 12.5" size and sold the WOT I had to compare. I could not see any real benefit in the added size and weight of the WOT versus the 12.5" Excel coil. The actual difference in size is only 1 3/4" and the WOT weighed almost a full half pound more!
One question for you Monte, is the extra ground coverage the reason you favor the 14" over the 12.5" on the MXT?
Regards
Tom
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Monte,
Hello there. I live in New Zealand and am interested in either the Whites 5.3 or the Excel 5" coil.
Most the ground I have encountered here is not highly mineralised at all.
However some sites do have a lot of trash.
How do these 2 coils compare at target seperation and depth? I feel that possibly the 5.3 may be better for me here, but have not quite decided - I have heard so much about the 5" excel coil and very little about the Whites 5.3.
I have heard of some excel coils being returned and dont wish to have to do that from here.
I use the standard coil at the moment.
I would appreciate your comment in this regard.
thanks
John
Hello there. I live in New Zealand and am interested in either the Whites 5.3 or the Excel 5" coil.
Most the ground I have encountered here is not highly mineralised at all.
However some sites do have a lot of trash.
How do these 2 coils compare at target seperation and depth? I feel that possibly the 5.3 may be better for me here, but have not quite decided - I have heard so much about the 5" excel coil and very little about the Whites 5.3.
I have heard of some excel coils being returned and dont wish to have to do that from here.
I use the standard coil at the moment.
I would appreciate your comment in this regard.
thanks
John
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Tom,
Last year I used the 5" & 14" for a lot of fall hunting to evaluate them. I liked the 14" coverage and general performance, but, due to my bad back and health issues, the 14" was just a little taxing.
When I got my new MXT and Excelerator coils this year I knew I wanted the 5" and 14". I thought about the sites I hunted most last year and they were slightly sloped or hilly, and that added to the fatigue I got from the 14" coil.
JW, at Kellyco, suggested I give the 12
Last year I used the 5" & 14" for a lot of fall hunting to evaluate them. I liked the 14" coverage and general performance, but, due to my bad back and health issues, the 14" was just a little taxing.
When I got my new MXT and Excelerator coils this year I knew I wanted the 5" and 14". I thought about the sites I hunted most last year and they were slightly sloped or hilly, and that added to the fatigue I got from the 14" coil.
JW, at Kellyco, suggested I give the 12
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Most of my pleasure hunting takes place in renovation sites, ghost towns, homesteads and mining camps and all sorts of places where I encounter dense trash conditions, especially iron junk.
My favorite White's coil is the 5.3 Eclipse, which is an excellent 6
My favorite White's coil is the 5.3 Eclipse, which is an excellent 6
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Monte,
Thanks for the insight. Have you any thoughts about the Eclipse mini-shooter in relation to the 5.3 Eclipse and the 5 Excel ?
Thanks for the insight. Have you any thoughts about the Eclipse mini-shooter in relation to the 5.3 Eclipse and the 5 Excel ?
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Quite honestly it is a good coil, and it might be the 'right' coil for many. It isn't however, the 'right' one for me.
When I got my first MXT I got it with the stock 950 and Mini Double-D Eclipse. There were several traits of the little elliptical coil that I liked, but one thing I just didn't/don't like, and that is an elliptical design! I like <EM>round</EM> coils, regardless if they are widescan or concentric internally.
Later I got ALL of the White's coils to work with, about the time I had my 2nd MXT, and I found that while the Shooter D-D coil was good, the 5.3 Eclipse worked a lot better for me. It was a bit 'hotter' on smaller targets, and it gave me better depth of detection.
In the trashy sites I hunted I preferred the 'feel' as well as the performance of the 5.3 Eclipse, and it became my preferred coil to keep mounted on my MXT.
Last fall I worked with the 5" Excelerator and 14" Excelerator coils and the 5" widescan coil just impressed me every time I went out and in every comparison I did with it against the other two smaller-then-stock coils.
It became my preferred coil, and when I got a new MXT and outfitted myself with accessory coils last month, that was the first coil I ordered from Kellyco with my MXT. I have not been the least bit displeased, either. The 5" Excelerator coil is round, light-colored (which I prefer) and works perfectly in the brushy, trashy, iron-target rich sites I usually find myself hunting in.
So far as small coils go, the 5.3 Eclipse is my 2nd favorite smaller coil, second to my constant companion, the 5" Excelerator coil. I think if you got one and gave it a serious workout and comparison, you would feel the same as I do.
<EM><STRONG>Monte
When I got my first MXT I got it with the stock 950 and Mini Double-D Eclipse. There were several traits of the little elliptical coil that I liked, but one thing I just didn't/don't like, and that is an elliptical design! I like <EM>round</EM> coils, regardless if they are widescan or concentric internally.
Later I got ALL of the White's coils to work with, about the time I had my 2nd MXT, and I found that while the Shooter D-D coil was good, the 5.3 Eclipse worked a lot better for me. It was a bit 'hotter' on smaller targets, and it gave me better depth of detection.
In the trashy sites I hunted I preferred the 'feel' as well as the performance of the 5.3 Eclipse, and it became my preferred coil to keep mounted on my MXT.
Last fall I worked with the 5" Excelerator and 14" Excelerator coils and the 5" widescan coil just impressed me every time I went out and in every comparison I did with it against the other two smaller-then-stock coils.
It became my preferred coil, and when I got a new MXT and outfitted myself with accessory coils last month, that was the first coil I ordered from Kellyco with my MXT. I have not been the least bit displeased, either. The 5" Excelerator coil is round, light-colored (which I prefer) and works perfectly in the brushy, trashy, iron-target rich sites I usually find myself hunting in.
So far as small coils go, the 5.3 Eclipse is my 2nd favorite smaller coil, second to my constant companion, the 5" Excelerator coil. I think if you got one and gave it a serious workout and comparison, you would feel the same as I do.
<EM><STRONG>Monte
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Thanks Monte. When I asked, I had forgotten that you prefer round (& white) coils. <img src="/metal/html/wink.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt="
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