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deep signals detecting wrong?...

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I got my X1 probe the other day and now am not afraid to go after deep targets.
My problem now is that I got a good signal that was deep. I was digging all the way down to my elbow (no kidding) until the x-1 picked up the signal. I finally located it. It was an old square nail.
What is weird is that once the nail is out of the ground the detector hardly detects it.
Why does it make it sound like it's a coin when it is deep in the ground but not when it is out of the ground? And how can I keep this from happenning again?
 
THE HALO AND RUSTY DEPOSITS THAT ARE BROKEN UP WHEN DUG.
 
I switched to ferrous sounds. Havn't dug many nails since. HH
 
Why did the change to ferrous help? Was it easier to identify iron, or did you stop getting signals on iron altogether?
 
I hunt trashy areas and I usually run iron mask -14. Most of the iron gives a low tone and hits upper left. Except crown caps give a high tone but they hit lower right. When you run a lot of disc, a lot of the iron will null. It's noisy(lots of tones) running in -14 but I like to hear everything because the more tones I get, the slower I go. Give it a try. HH
 
Hi Tony, I dig very very few nails(at least ones that I dont think are), and the sites I hunt are loaded with them.. After a while you can tell in either mode what a nail sounds like and a good target sounds like, they really are not the same. Its pretty hard to explain the difference, but the easiest way I can is, does the target seem to be trying to be more positive or more negative. in other words does it sound like its trying to null more than its trying to come through positive.. Some bent nails still fool me,but even on those I dont have high hopes. sometimes in my pounded sites where I get less picky I dig the iffy ones I think are nails or iron, and so far I havent got many pleasant suprises so it can be done even in conductive audio, but like others said ferrous makes it much easier. Just keep digging anything that your not sure on as thats the way you learn,, pretty soon you wont feel that your missing anything by passing up the ones you get your ear tuned to be definately bad.. Iron definately has a different tonal quality to it, but there are some times its too close to call so ya gotta do it.. I know one thing if you dont ever dig iron your definately passing some good stuff, but you can get it down where you dig very little unless you want to.. Never hurts to dig some anyway just to clear it out of a site, at least one that you hunt often and can dig as many holes as you want to.. Iron hides stuff pretty good.. I have quite a few sites so iron filled I know theres lots of good stuff hiding under it, its just a matter of how much you want to clear out.. One site I have if you take a trowel of dirt you will have anywhere from 6 to 10 nails in the dirt.. that place you can set a dime on top of the ground and not pick it up with any machine I have tried, but its impractable to dig it all out of the way.. Prime site too 1700's cellar hole and these nails and rusted away tin surround the hole for about 15 feet out from it.. one of these days I will take a sifter to it. As to your question about the probe, you should be able to judge how deep the target sounds, either by ear or using the meter. if your digging an iffy iron hit, take a deep plug and stick the probe in. iron will null and if you get falsing type tones, throw it in pinpoint and see where its pinpoints.. the probe hardly every false rght over the target, but off to a sides and null solid over the target.. if its doing that then its iron, fill in the hole and move on, or dig it out and get rid of it...
 
Tony,
Square nails seem to always fool more than any other one for me as there is something about them in the ground for all them years that will make them sound almost as good as coins. Now out of the ground there is no problem as you can tell them right away and one of the reasons I dont beleive in test gardens as much for performance and go by accual hunting conditons.
Even in ferrous I get a lot of the rusty deep nails as if it is questionable I will dig if it is deep. One way I have been able to tell more is when I get a signal I think sound good I will come at it from a differnt angle and see if it still sounds good, if it does it is worth digging, if not then I try at a differnt angle and if still dont I forget those as they are iron.
Like I say I do get fooled a lot as they do sound so good at times.
I was out for a couple of hours on Thursday and got a 1901 barber dime then for the next hour I dug over 15 rusty nails that were questionable, then a wheatie and a new dime. Some of the ones I dug were 4 and 5 nails in one hole that will realy fool you.
I will say the Explorer because of it power will fool me more than the Sovereign ever did, or maybe it was a lot easier for me to tell the nails from a good target with the Sovereign.
The biggest thing is getting the time to know the Explorer by using it and from Experience telling the good from the bad.
Rick
 
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