Dan-Pa .... CZ-3D "Coins-all" segment

[NASA-Tom]

Dan,
On the CZ-3D platform, the "Coins-all" (Hi-coins) segment is going to give the APPEARANCE that it has been widened slightly (((while in the 'enhanced' mode only))). Many of the new zinc pennies will register "Hi-coins" in the 'enhanced' mode....especially in an air-test. SPECIFICALLY with YOUR experience level, this will not be a problem for you..... as these targets are shallow (surface) targets. My personal recommendation to you is for you to go back to all your older 'hunted-out' areas,,,,, ignore the meter (for at least the first 3 months) and recover all hi tones. Yes, you will recover some trash items........ just as you did before with all of your other CZ units (and all other brands). I can't help that (yet). And contrary to popular belief, I did not design the CZ-3D to be better on older nickels ONLY; rather, to find deeper, older silver and copper coins in real dirt (with proper hi tone) was my primary intent. Yes, older nickels needed to be corrected in reading 'hi tone' also,,,,,, but there were many other coins (silver & copper) that critically needed to be reporting as 'hi tone' in real scenarios. Newer Jefferson nickels (even in the ground) may read 'round-tab' on the 'enhanced' CZ-3D. I opted to "not be concerned" with newer nickels. BEFORE YOU START USING your CZ-3D,,,,, look in your current 'dirt recovered' collection at the RATIO of 'V' nickels-to-Barber dimes......and also how many 3-cent silver coins, half-dimes, Indian Head pennies, Half-Eagles are CURRENTLY in your collection. Keep these numbers in mind,,,,, then start hunting with the CZ-3D. (Hopefully, these types of coins are not already TOO DEEP and out of range in your locale). You will also find more silver dimes & quarters (and pennies) on edge. I recommend reading the 4th edition of Fisher Intelligence (should be included in the box). Need a free copy, call Fisher (1-800-685-5050). Also....... Most all pull-tabs will still read mid-tone in real dirt,,, in the 'enhanced' mode. Some will still fool any detector. .... Something to be said (specifically) about the CZ-3D sensitivity control. Fine-tuning the control from 4.2 to 4.3 to 4.4 to 4.5 is critical and sensitive. If dirt & mineralization allow.... try to push the sensitivity from around 4.2,,, up to around 4.5 if possible. A sensitivity setting of around 4.5 on the analog CZ's is usually max depth IN THE "ID" MODE. ------ All other things considered, the CZ-3D will feel and sound just like any other CZ in your hands; however, your luck will 'appear' to be a bit better. --- Also, I ALWAYS hunt with disc at '0' (so I can hear all tones and have full 'dirt-intelligence') and sensitivity just above 4.5 if possible.

Happy Intelligent Hunting
Thomas J. Dankowski

 

[Dan-Pa.]

Actually am a silver coin hunter, but when I get into real old areas with convential CZ's pay attention to coins all, Zinc and square tab(relic) as I know that square tab(relic) can contain old Indian heads, tokens, gold coins and other off beat goodies...watch nickel and above all foil as most of your V-shield and Buffalo along with deep jefferson can come in low and hit foil or bounce between nickel and foil.
We all know no unit is perfect but it seems you have covered all these bases in aligning the tones and segments in advanced mode as indeed extra digging can get you that once in a lifetime coin.
As far as air test they may give a ball park at best and have a ten year old planted coin garden and usually dig a lot more with as new unit until I see just what they come up in field conditions as thats where its at.
In conclusion guess I really won't know until I have a CZ3D in hand which is in the near future, but appreciate you taking the time to enlighten myself and the forum.
Guess I am a hard head but I really felt you widened some facets, but can now see you have not, just realigned them along with tones and also gave us a switch to go back to a new area mode.
Actually since using my first CZ6 in 1992 I can see where your coming from and look forward to using Fisher latest edition CZ3D.
Again thanks for an informative post and forum members know they will get a full report from me after I run it around the block several times.
By the way have seen your videos and read your articles and found them informative so keep them coming...Reguards, Dan

 

[NamVetLesTreasureSeeker]

Hey Tom, How does that apply to the CZ-70? I have been digging alot of varieties of screwcaps with a high coin audio, and some of these have been up to seven inches deep, and some under tree roots. They either tone ID as high coin or Relic, which I can understand the ReLIC Mode.
I usually hunt with Bobbing GB; Sensitivity 4 or 6, depending on ground falsing: and either No DISCRIMINATION or Just DISCRIMINATE Out the IRON. My hunting partners use Minelab Explorer XS Detectors, and they dig alittle trash, including a few screwcaps/trash, but I seem to dig a WHOLE LOT OF SCREWCAPS/TRASH!! The city park I am hunting in is over 100 yrs. Old, and has over 100yrs. of city public trash. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

 

[Dan-Pa.]

Not Tom but have owned a CZ70 pro and its facets are the same as all previous CZ's..Unfortunately screwcaps will come in relic.. Zinc or coins all depending if they are whole, crushed or bent or for that matter flat...
Best I can tell you is they just seem to cover more area than a coin, but I get fooled myself at times..
Don't confuse a CZ70 with a CZ3D as the 3D has two modes one for old and one for new and even a 3D wouldn't help you as you are hunting new area that is actually old having been used the last 100 yrs...
As far as an Explorer goes its a different beast and the fellows using them may be proficient enough to tell a screwcap..
Hope this helps and screwcaps are a problem with most units...
You certainly have me confused as the CZ70 has a mid tone for relic somewhere in between medium and high...in other words relic does not give a high coin audio...

 

[Dan R.]

Hi Les

I am a cz70Pro lover and have the new after market fZ12 coil on it plus use the 5 incher and stock coils. they are all a practice in themselves ( all same but different styles of using them)
I have read Nasa Tom's intelligencer on it and I find it works almost to a "T" according to his statements with one exception. I still don't find any thing id as iron other then iron.
I read it many times and it helps me not to be forgetful about various operating techniques.
and responses to look for.

I still find most all nickels under high tone nickels. I really don't think experienced Dan Pa is going to find those extra goodies in along side of me in the same ground that My cz70Pro won't hit on. Referring to his hit with the 3d outdoing my cz70Pro My cz hits on high coins very well as it is without any types of enhancement.

As far as zinc screw caps some will come in zinc some bounce around from zinc to relic it is the ones made of aluminum that will give me most problems as reading high coins.

I can most of the time by raising the coil to a spot I can loose the target because of weak signal and on most aluminum caps and even zinc caps and coins the signals are actual different
also in pinpoint and noticing the height away from targets you will start to put two and two together with your hearing and the info you get and end up knowing a little bit more about the pesky targets.Been diligently using my cz now for a few years and still always learning.
For me sometimes its a combination of info besides just the tones that helps me decide what the targets are. The zinc and aluminum caps have different values on tid machines only slightly at times but enough to be just that" DIFFERENT". And even then it takes some further testing because number id also varies with distance on those pesky type of targets. Pinpoint sizing different then some coins. Basically like Pa Dan says , its just a lot of practice in hearing the difference but with me sometimes its also coil manipulations along with the depth reads and sounds all combined. Coil manipulations include slow and a whip over targets and at different height levels etc.

A side note:

The big coil will hits a dime beyond 12 some and a quarter 13 plus inches no problem.
It centers perfectly in pinpointing.

I know I am not a Nasa Tom but thought I might share some of my doings.



HH

Dan R

 

[Dan-Pa.]

Your last post was indeed some good reading...I like the part about coil manipulation and always willing to learn something new.
Without going into detail the advanced mode(cz3D) just includes more in its high tone so you can get the low nickels, such as V-shield-buffalo and also includes more in high tone to get the real old indians, tokens and perhaps a gold coin. Sort of dig more to get more in a real old area.
Heck I have used the CZ70 pro and indeed that relic mid tone is a wakeup call and surely a winner and can understand why you do well with it.
Gosh I must be slowing up as I am behind in this 12 inch coil...going to have to research it..I know the 10.5 sure covers a lot of ground but indeed is heavy..Guess the 8 inch goes as deep as I want to go and must be the reason never paid any attention to the 12 incher..
Stay well my friend and perhaps our paths will cross this season as it did several years ago...

 

[Anonymous]

I agree with you 100%.I had a cz-5 for 3 years.In one year with the cz-3d I have found almost the same amount of coins!Most of them were on edge.As a matter of fact I just found today a 1858 seated quarter my first seated quarter!It was 9" deep and on edge!I am not set up for pictures yet so you will have to take my word.This is the best machine I have ever owned!

 

[NamVetLesTreasureSeeker]

MANY THANKS for taking the time to reply to my post. I guess I'm just going to have to clean out those DAM PAIN-IN-ASS Screwcaps, alittle at a time. I guess it's the nature of the beast!
HH

 

[Mark in NC]

4.2 to 4.5 quite often. I have some locations that allow me to crank it up higher without falsing. Is there another reason, besides falsing, for keeping it turned down?..

thanks,

Mark in NC

 

[Anonymous]

Setting the Sens. at this level gives you maximum depth, without registering many of the other targets that are co-located with it. Similar to using a 5" coil. I've been turning my Sens. down many times now in junky areas, and have been rewarded with it.

HH from Allen in MI

 

[Jackpine Savage]

I never ran my CZ5 over sens 6 on land. In areas with a lot of small iron (nails ect.) the CZ's perform best with the sens set between 4 and 5. After you get what you can with the 8" coil go back over the area with the 10.5" and look for the one way (back and forth) signals that don't move in pinpoint, you will be amazed at what the "big" coil can pickup in the 5" - 7" range that you missed.

HH Tom Z.

 

[Dan-Pa.]

I just don't buy the max. sensitivity at 4 for all CZ's...crank it up as high as you can while keeping a stable machine and you to will get the real deepies..It seems like a CZ5, CZ7A I had 6 to 8 was the magic number, however methinks on the CZ70 pro or CZ3D the sensitivty parameters have been changed and just couldn't run my CZ70 pro over 4..only time will tell with the CZ3D..
Have to admit at 4 on a CZ70 it went just as deep as a 8 on my CZ7A..Indeed lower sens. in trashy areas is recommended, but for those deepies may or may not apply depending on what model CZ you have as the newest ones out have the sens. tinkered with..

 

[Jackpine Savage]

A Fisher Tech told me that they updated (improved?) their tuning procedure a while back on the CZ's. I'm not sure if I like the newer CZ's better or not. Gotta get some time on one to make an opinion. Weren't nuthin wrong with the old way that's for sure.

Tom