Cz6 questions

[Mwdigster77]

I have been trying to adjust to my cz6 from a Tesoro. And the cz is so deep but it loves nails way too much I got frustrated the other day and thought a target was just another nail (all my deep nails ring up strong as silver and are generally repeatable from every angle) and I sped up the recovery time and used my digger to try to find the nail and it turned out to be a 45 Walker half and I knicked it with my digger. Lesson learned never speed up the recovery and expect a nail when it hits silver although it almost always is lol! . Anyone have any advice for determining it is indeed a nail?

Also does anybody know where I can get a mounting clip for the rod to connect the head unit to the rod mine is broken I have to hip mount mine which is great but I would like to have the option of for quick hunts being able to leave it on the rod so I don't have to worry about putting it through a belt and etc...

Thank you everyone for all the help

 

[therover]

There are a couple things you can do that may help. First off, are you hunting in 0 discrimination mode ? That is one of the keys, because if you are not, you will never hear any low iron tone, and all the false high tones will continue to fool you. Also, running too high a sensitivity will make a CZ more 'iron prone' and false more. Make sure your GB is checked every so often too.

When you do get a deep repeatable high tone, that is repeatable from all angles, use the pin point button to size the target. Most elongated nails ( bigger nail heads and nails standing straight up and down will fool the CZ), will pin point in 2 different spots, and not isolate in one small spot. It will also be a larger area that resolves when pin pointing. The VCO pin point is very useful once you learn how to de-tune targets.

Use all metal to try to determine the strength of signal and audio signature. Learning this takes time, but it can help in determining deeper iron as opposed to deep silver.

Deep silver has a mellower high tone...but that Walker 1/2 probably did not ! That was probably a nice, loud high tone, and those are hard to tell whether it is deep, moderate sized iron, or a silver dollar or 1/2 dollar.

Nice find on that Walker...proves the only real way to know what the target is, is to dig it up !!

 

[Mwdigster77]

Thank you I try to do that with the pin pointer but I must just need more time with it. I plan on using it both days all day this weekend maybe I'll get it figured out lol. And I've been running it at 2 on the disc I will try 0 though. I ground balance a few times each trip. However my ground is almost pristine I can run my silver Umax maxed out all the time here. and my machine generally ground balances at the same number every time 6-7 seems to be the winning number.

I've been running my sensitivity at 5 all the time just to be on the safe side lol

Thank you for the advice. And it's my third Walker half since I started last year. The other 2 I found with my silver Umax. This is my first silver with the cz.

 

[therover]

I know it may be a pain in the butt at first, but running in 0 discrimination mode, and listening to all the targets including iron, gets your ears trained and it helps immensely when you get the low tone/high tone wrap of deep iron, since you don't get fooled nearly as much. I bet that Walker, in 0 discrimination mode, would never have had a low tone hit when you were sweeping the coil over it.

I suggest to continue digging all targets, so you can then tell when you get a deep low tone/high tone hit, how it sounds, and whether it's deep iron or not.

Rule of thumb on those low tone/ high tone hits, is if you get a low tone hit while sweeping at all angles, 50% of the time or more, move on as it's almost always iron. Still, use the pin point button to size it, and go into auto tune to listen to the audio signature, and then make an educated guess of what it is before digging. Best way to learn the CZ.

I bet you will ramp up very quickly on the learning curve with the CZ and when you do, it's a great detector to have in the arsenal.

 

[Mwdigster77]

The times that it's a mixed sound I already know it's iron I do dyig anyways to make sure it wasn't something being masked out. But the problem is when it's a high tone no matter what and hits hard as silver. 99 percent it's been a deep nail.

I'll try 0 disc and see if it makes a difference though. Thank you for all the feed back.

 

[tvr]

The only thing I would add to therover's excellent advice is to slow the coil speed way down when you get the high tone signal. If you are running in disc 0 and are not set too high on sensitivity, 90% of those nails that break high tone with a medium sweep speed will stay low tone when the coil speed is slowed way down.
Cheers,
tvr

 

[therover]

Good advice.

 

[Dan-Pa.]

Google Mikes CZ page as its the bible for CZ users....it will explain ways to tell a nail from a coin for one thing and a whole lot more..Dan

 

[Mwdigster77]

thank you all for the advice i got out today, and used 0 disc and it paid off i ended up not digging even half as many nails. but the few good targets i did dig were mixed in with iron. and one direction i got a strong silver signal turned and swung the other direction and it grunted then high toned. i slowed way down and figured out there were 2 targets in the hole. dug it and ended up being a 1945 silver washington and did the same for a couple wheaties too! but any signal that would grunt at all and if i slowed down and it was a mixed sound it was always iron.

learned alot today and had a blast. ended up digging 2 wheaties mixed with iron, an old vw bug toy car, a buckle and the silver washington.

 

[tvr]

Congrats on the silver and all! Good to hear your reports!!
Cheers.
tvr

 

[therover]

Sounds like you are getting the hand of it real quick. Glad to see you sniffed out the silver Wash with junk next to it as well as the Wheaties in iron.

Pays to listen to the iron with a CZ. ZERO discrimination all the way...only way to optimize a CZ in discrimination mode.