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cz5
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U2...
You got a great detector coming. Easy to set up. Deep. Tone ID. Easy to read meter. 4 coil options (if you can find a Sunray FZ12 coil and you plan to beach hunt...get one). What else can I say.
GB using the bobbing method. Sweep slow. Sens at 3 or 4 to start. Keep discrim set a 0 so you can hear the iron. Any repeatable mid or high tone, dig it ! Use your pin point button to size targets. Iron is wide and most times will not pin point in the same spot as when you sweep in discrim mode.
The main thing is to keep the discrimination at 0 so you can hear any low tone iron signal. Lots of first time users set the discrim at 1 and when the iron bleeds through, all they get is a high tone ( the machine, if in discrim 0, would give a low tone/high tone bounce, but you won't hear the low tone if the discrim is set to 1 or higher). So what happens is, in setting 1 or higher, all you hear is the high tone, and will think it's a good target, and dig a nice, deep nail or iron target.
The only problem is have had with my CZ usage ( been using them since mid 90's...my 6a's are still my favorite machines) is that you have to dig the deep low tone/high tone bounces because some times it's a really deep coin....and then again, it could be iron !The deep targets have to be dug...but if it's only a low tone...leave it be. I may have missed a few deep coins that signaled as iron only, but I don't think many.
Last thing...if you have your sensitivity set high, if you sweep moderate to fast, you will get falsing. As you raise your sensitivity, you have to sweep slower. One trick to make sure if it's a real signal or false, is to switch the machine into auto tune ( all metal) or use the pin point button to switch it to all metal and check the target. A false signal in discriminate mode should be checked in all metal to make sure.
Here is a pic of my 6a mounted on a straight shaft under the cuff. It's balanced perfect this way and I can swing all day with it. I mostly use this configuration for beach hunting, but I think I a, going to leave it like this for all types of hunting.
Most important...have fun with it and learn it. I think you will be happy with it.
JC
You got a great detector coming. Easy to set up. Deep. Tone ID. Easy to read meter. 4 coil options (if you can find a Sunray FZ12 coil and you plan to beach hunt...get one). What else can I say.
GB using the bobbing method. Sweep slow. Sens at 3 or 4 to start. Keep discrim set a 0 so you can hear the iron. Any repeatable mid or high tone, dig it ! Use your pin point button to size targets. Iron is wide and most times will not pin point in the same spot as when you sweep in discrim mode.
The main thing is to keep the discrimination at 0 so you can hear any low tone iron signal. Lots of first time users set the discrim at 1 and when the iron bleeds through, all they get is a high tone ( the machine, if in discrim 0, would give a low tone/high tone bounce, but you won't hear the low tone if the discrim is set to 1 or higher). So what happens is, in setting 1 or higher, all you hear is the high tone, and will think it's a good target, and dig a nice, deep nail or iron target.
The only problem is have had with my CZ usage ( been using them since mid 90's...my 6a's are still my favorite machines) is that you have to dig the deep low tone/high tone bounces because some times it's a really deep coin....and then again, it could be iron !The deep targets have to be dug...but if it's only a low tone...leave it be. I may have missed a few deep coins that signaled as iron only, but I don't think many.
Last thing...if you have your sensitivity set high, if you sweep moderate to fast, you will get falsing. As you raise your sensitivity, you have to sweep slower. One trick to make sure if it's a real signal or false, is to switch the machine into auto tune ( all metal) or use the pin point button to switch it to all metal and check the target. A false signal in discriminate mode should be checked in all metal to make sure.
Here is a pic of my 6a mounted on a straight shaft under the cuff. It's balanced perfect this way and I can swing all day with it. I mostly use this configuration for beach hunting, but I think I a, going to leave it like this for all types of hunting.
Most important...have fun with it and learn it. I think you will be happy with it.
JC
Arghhh! Still wishing to put another CZ5 back in my toolbox. I have all three coils but not the Sunray or the machine to use them on. Man I miss my old CZ's! Maybe I'll be seeing one for Christmas.
I dug a lot of buffs that read in the foil range. Seems they had a habit of signaling as foil if they were deeper than 2 or three inches and less than 8 inches. The deepest buffs I got came up as nickel, the shallow ones too, but those in buff territory, 3 to 8 inches seemed to lock into foil pretty solidly. Found on both my CZ5 and CZ7 that if you read a nickel at 4 inches, it's almost always a beavertail, often less than 4 inches but it's a signal you have to dig.
Don't be afraid to crank that thing up also. Yes it gives a broader footprint but that means you'll be catching targets that might be missed at lower sense. Keep in mind that target averaging will happen if there's multiple targets but that's what pinpoint is for. Run it over an area cranked up, isolate the individual targets with pinpoint/ AT, then try "sensing down" to isolate a good id on each target. You CAN pick apart trashy areas this way even with the big coil on but use it only in small square areas first, a couple feet square to begin with.
Have fun, getting coil envy here!
I dug a lot of buffs that read in the foil range. Seems they had a habit of signaling as foil if they were deeper than 2 or three inches and less than 8 inches. The deepest buffs I got came up as nickel, the shallow ones too, but those in buff territory, 3 to 8 inches seemed to lock into foil pretty solidly. Found on both my CZ5 and CZ7 that if you read a nickel at 4 inches, it's almost always a beavertail, often less than 4 inches but it's a signal you have to dig.
Don't be afraid to crank that thing up also. Yes it gives a broader footprint but that means you'll be catching targets that might be missed at lower sense. Keep in mind that target averaging will happen if there's multiple targets but that's what pinpoint is for. Run it over an area cranked up, isolate the individual targets with pinpoint/ AT, then try "sensing down" to isolate a good id on each target. You CAN pick apart trashy areas this way even with the big coil on but use it only in small square areas first, a couple feet square to begin with.
Have fun, getting coil envy here!
Kelley (Texas)
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I rigged my CZ6a this way because it is much easier to swing and way better balanced with the 10.5 and 12 inch FZ 12 coils I use when beach detecting.
The shaft is a Babbs shaft I had for my Excal. I kept the shaft when I sold the Excal because I knew at some point I would use it for something. I had asked around on the forums if anyone had a spare CZ shaft, and PyrorCreekJoe sent me one no charge ( thanks again Joe !). I cut the piece off that the CZ slides onto, drilled holes and attached it to the Babbs part with stainless steel nuts n bolts and there you have it. The bottom rod is a Minelab rod since that fits into the Babbs shaft...the CZ lower rod does not work due to where the holes and pin is located ( I suppose you could drill out holes to line up with the Babbs holes and bolt it on, but since I had a spare Minelab lower, and the coils fit on it, I used that).
Anyway...it works for me. Once I GB and set up, I go by tone ID on the beach so I don't need to see the meter. One good thing about the 6a is that its water resistant and does not have a speaker, so laying the unit down in the sand if necessary does not hurt it as well as the occasional splash or rain. I just wipe the CZ down when I get home, use one of those cans of air to get the sand grains off the face if there are any, and it's all cleaned up.
I have an Anderson straight shaft I use for my BHID300 that I am going to rig up the same way for my other 6a. This way I will have one with the 12 inch Sunray and one with the 10.5 Fisher coil.
When I hunt in the park with it and use either the stock 8 inch or the smaller 5 inch coil, the standard configuration works better because I can see the meter, plus the coils are not as heavy, so it's not balanced as well ( at least with the smaller coil its not).
JC
The shaft is a Babbs shaft I had for my Excal. I kept the shaft when I sold the Excal because I knew at some point I would use it for something. I had asked around on the forums if anyone had a spare CZ shaft, and PyrorCreekJoe sent me one no charge ( thanks again Joe !). I cut the piece off that the CZ slides onto, drilled holes and attached it to the Babbs part with stainless steel nuts n bolts and there you have it. The bottom rod is a Minelab rod since that fits into the Babbs shaft...the CZ lower rod does not work due to where the holes and pin is located ( I suppose you could drill out holes to line up with the Babbs holes and bolt it on, but since I had a spare Minelab lower, and the coils fit on it, I used that).
Anyway...it works for me. Once I GB and set up, I go by tone ID on the beach so I don't need to see the meter. One good thing about the 6a is that its water resistant and does not have a speaker, so laying the unit down in the sand if necessary does not hurt it as well as the occasional splash or rain. I just wipe the CZ down when I get home, use one of those cans of air to get the sand grains off the face if there are any, and it's all cleaned up.
I have an Anderson straight shaft I use for my BHID300 that I am going to rig up the same way for my other 6a. This way I will have one with the 12 inch Sunray and one with the 10.5 Fisher coil.
When I hunt in the park with it and use either the stock 8 inch or the smaller 5 inch coil, the standard configuration works better because I can see the meter, plus the coils are not as heavy, so it's not balanced as well ( at least with the smaller coil its not).
JC
Robert...I hear ya about the PI and trash. Still using my PI's but the places have to be pretty junk free. I still think the best place for them is in the suds and water. Dry and wet sanding can be an adventure if there are lots of nails, bobbie pins and screw caps. You have to dig the tabs and foil to get the gold, so I don't mind digging deep ones of them with the PI...it's digging 3-4 deep scoops and coming up with a nice nail that becomes tedious after awhile.
I am glad the Surf PI is working well for you...keep at it.
I am glad the Surf PI is working well for you...keep at it.
Kelley (Texas)
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..I have 2 other PI's !
The thing I like best about it is, it's so simple to set up, you are not going to miss anything, and it does deep. Sometimes it's just fun to swing n dig knowing nothing is going to be masked. The main problem, like you are finding out, is in trashy, iron laden areas it's not a good unit to use.
Like I said, if there isn't much iron, but lots of other targets like lead weights, tabs, foil, bits of copper...you have to dig those even with a VLF or you will miss the gold and silver.
The only draw back of the PI is the iron. But the plus is, you can hunt anywhere..black sand, in the water, rain, etc.
When the weather is nice and the surf is calm, take it out in the water. There is where you will really see the difference since once in the water, there isn't a lot of trash. The coil will stay on the bottom, you can swing slower, take your time and listen to those soft rises in the threshold.
Don't sell it...give it a chance. One nice ring and it will have paid for itself.
JC
The thing I like best about it is, it's so simple to set up, you are not going to miss anything, and it does deep. Sometimes it's just fun to swing n dig knowing nothing is going to be masked. The main problem, like you are finding out, is in trashy, iron laden areas it's not a good unit to use.
Like I said, if there isn't much iron, but lots of other targets like lead weights, tabs, foil, bits of copper...you have to dig those even with a VLF or you will miss the gold and silver.
The only draw back of the PI is the iron. But the plus is, you can hunt anywhere..black sand, in the water, rain, etc.
When the weather is nice and the surf is calm, take it out in the water. There is where you will really see the difference since once in the water, there isn't a lot of trash. The coil will stay on the bottom, you can swing slower, take your time and listen to those soft rises in the threshold.
Don't sell it...give it a chance. One nice ring and it will have paid for itself.
JC
Hello , just wondering what type of straight shaft that is? did you modify the pinpoint at all or is still on the box. I love that idea as I have used my cz for years and now I'm older and the weight is starting to get to my shoulder. I love the idea. any info would be great, Thanks Daleoh
I had a Babbs straight shaft that I used for my Excal that I kept when I sold the Excal. I got a spare CZ rod from a forum member ( PyrorCreekJoe sent it to me no charge...again I thank him). What I did was cut the pole on either side of the mounting bracket, drilled holes in the piece I sawed off and mounted on the upper part of the shaft, under the cuff. The control box just slides on as normal, only upside down !
No mods to the CZ...this is my beach hunting rig so I don't use the pin point. Since I use the 10.5 and Sunray 12 inch coil on it, it swings much easier and it's way better balanced than the stock configuration. Most times I set it and forget it on the CZ, but adjusting the knobs and ground balancing are no problem. I hunt by the tones when beach hunting so I don't look at the meter. When using the 8 or 5 inch coils, I am coin hunting in parks so I use the regular set up since I can then pin point and look at the meter. That set up is not that heavy, but sometimes I still use the straight shaft set up with the 8 inch coil if I am going to hunt for a long period of time.
When I get a chance I can take a closer picture of the mounting bracket and how I connected to the shaft.
John
No mods to the CZ...this is my beach hunting rig so I don't use the pin point. Since I use the 10.5 and Sunray 12 inch coil on it, it swings much easier and it's way better balanced than the stock configuration. Most times I set it and forget it on the CZ, but adjusting the knobs and ground balancing are no problem. I hunt by the tones when beach hunting so I don't look at the meter. When using the 8 or 5 inch coils, I am coin hunting in parks so I use the regular set up since I can then pin point and look at the meter. That set up is not that heavy, but sometimes I still use the straight shaft set up with the 8 inch coil if I am going to hunt for a long period of time.
When I get a chance I can take a closer picture of the mounting bracket and how I connected to the shaft.
John
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