Detector newbie
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Took my new c3d out today, and was getting repeated high tones on nails. Is this common for the 3d?
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Cz3d & nails?
- Thread starter Detector newbie
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Nails are an ongoing mystery. I usually only dig deep nails with a high tone that have a pretty good chunk of rust on them. Another key is your signal. Nails usually don't high tone from all four directions of a sweep. I get more nails when I am trying to tease a questionable signal into being a good one. You are gong to dig a few nails with the CZ and several other high performing detectors. The ratio depends on what you learn from the ones you do dig. Even when you have a lot of hours on the machine some nails will still fool you. The CZ will still reward you with something good hiding in nails with a similar signal. Depending on how badly you want that reward will probably influence how many nails you dig. If you want fewer nails dig those signals that match and repeat from all four sides of a sweep. You may that one or two good signals hiding in a yard but you will dig fewer nails. I know it is hard to slow down when you are learning a new machine but take your time. Play with each and every signal and pay attention to its unique sound. All of this will come in time. Good luck, and keep swinging your CZ.
Don
HH
Don
HH
Excellent post from cometguy. I will add that a straight nail will most times give a double beep when sweeping the target length wise, but when you rotate 90 degrees to the first sweeps(across the nail) you will only get a single beep. Bent nails will sound good from all directions most times. When in doubt, DIG.
Detector newbie
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Hey don, thanks for the reply. I thought maybe something might be wrong with the machine. Glad to know theres nothing wrong with it. It's my first detector, and I'm having fun! This machine sure goes pretty deep......... I LIKE IT!!!
Detector newbie
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Thanks sqwaby. I will sure keep that in mind. Darn nails!!
1 - If you are running in discriminate mode, set the unit at 0. If you set it in the 1-6 range, the low tone of iron will not sound off, so any low tone/ high tone iron hit will only sound off as high tone, fooling you. One of the best ways to learn a CZ is to hunt in 0 discriminate mode and listen to all the targets.
2 - Don't run sensitivity too high to start. 2-3 is best when first learning the unit.
3 - Always make sure the CZ is ground balanced properly. It's and easy process and takes 20-30 seconds when you get the hand of it. Also, remember to set the sensitivity back into the 2-3 range when done if using the bobbing method ( which is preferred by most to get the most accurate ground balance setting).
4 - Sweep slow. A lot of falsing can be mitigated if you slow the sweep speed down. The CZ is not a whip the coil back and forth type unit and works best with a moderate to slow sweep speed.
5 - Always check a target from all angles. A lot of deeper, rusty iron will hit as high tone at one angle, but then hit with a low tone when the coil is swept over it from a different angle. To cut down on digging a lot of iron, only dig the REPEATABLE high and mid tone targets that repeat from all 4 angles while you are circling the target. Any target that hits with a low tone 50% of the time or more, has a good possibility to be iron. Caveat is, a lot of deeper ( 10+ inches ) targets that hit as low tone with highs and mids mixed in can be good targets, so use the depth of the target to help make a dig/no dig decision.
2 - Don't run sensitivity too high to start. 2-3 is best when first learning the unit.
3 - Always make sure the CZ is ground balanced properly. It's and easy process and takes 20-30 seconds when you get the hand of it. Also, remember to set the sensitivity back into the 2-3 range when done if using the bobbing method ( which is preferred by most to get the most accurate ground balance setting).
4 - Sweep slow. A lot of falsing can be mitigated if you slow the sweep speed down. The CZ is not a whip the coil back and forth type unit and works best with a moderate to slow sweep speed.
5 - Always check a target from all angles. A lot of deeper, rusty iron will hit as high tone at one angle, but then hit with a low tone when the coil is swept over it from a different angle. To cut down on digging a lot of iron, only dig the REPEATABLE high and mid tone targets that repeat from all 4 angles while you are circling the target. Any target that hits with a low tone 50% of the time or more, has a good possibility to be iron. Caveat is, a lot of deeper ( 10+ inches ) targets that hit as low tone with highs and mids mixed in can be good targets, so use the depth of the target to help make a dig/no dig decision.
Detector newbie
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ahh....thank you guys. will continue my learning.
CZFisher-man
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#Detector newbie said:
Hi, this happened to me on my first day out with my CZ, although it was a CZ7a, I dug plenty of Iron, but I will say I did find a few other bits and a coin!, so I know my machine is working OK, I know I just need practice and also I must learn how to ground balance my machine correctly, as I kind of forgot how to do it!, but even so I was still finding stuff, so next time I'm going to take the manual page on ground balancing with me, I know it is not difficult to do, just I forgot how to do it, hehehehe!.
But then again the beach I was on was littered with Iron. I think it is a case of if you walk over a coin or a ring then the chances are you WILL find it and dig it.
Good luck, with practice and experience you will of course get better at using your machine and find more goodies.
Steve (TX)
Member
The bent nails also give a problem. It takes a lot of hours and that's all I can say. The tips here can be found helpful.
Digger70pa
Well-known member
Nails often stutter in one direction when circling the target.
Slowing down is not a bad thing. Remember that the nail bed you are working through methodically may be the area hiding some very good treasure that someone else did not take the time to work through with care. If this nail bed does not yield much more than learning the detector, the next one may. Metal detecting is just one of life's pleasures that can yield much more satisfying results when not rushing things.
Cheers,
tvr
Cheers,
tvr
pulltabMiner
New member
I just figured out today at lunch time the right speed to avoid a lot of the high tone/iron grunt signals. The right swing is a lot slower than I was swinging! After two months of hunting with the CZ-3D, the only nails that give me consistent high tones from all directions are bent, rusty nails. Straight rusty nails always have an iron grunt in the signal. I have to say however, that a few of the iffy deep signals that I've dug, have been coins.