CZ3D is no exception..

[Dan-Pa.]

Having used every model CZ except the 3D had the pleasure to hunt with one today in a worked out park that was there 100 years ago and is still being used heavily. With sens. at 4.5 managed a Barber dime that was close to a foot deep so like previous models they are deep..even in the regular salt mode.Didn't get much and only went for 6 inch or better targets and was rewarded with a dateless Buffalo nickle and several clad quarters and dimes from the the late 60's and early 70's..
Certainly two units in one with the flip of a toggle and of course for those of you that have old areas that haven't been used for years just digging the high tones in advanced mode should put some nice keepers in the pouch..I realize many are confused but Nasa Tom has some good ideas and perhaps reading some of his articles or watching a video rel Fishers new CZ should help you understand the concept..I really like the new tone for foil as thats where the womans thin rings with nice stones come in and without looking at the meter once you adjust to the tones it will alert you. For those that say just buy a CZ5 as it will serve you well just remember the CZ3D is actually two units in one and used correctly will excell in newer local parks or perhaps that real old area. Done a lot of reading on this unit and you certainly won't grasp its potential until you hunt in both new and old areas as the choice is yours with a flip of a toggle...

 

[mike56]

Good post Dan had used a Garrett for almost 30 yrs., switched to a CZ-3D in Jan. of 07 and haven't looked back since. Yes I would get the video by NASA Tom. I purchased it right after I bought my Fisher. It really cut down on my learning curve. I don't even watch my meter I just listen for the Hi-tones. The only time I use meter is for depth. When I find an object I will usually work a half to 3\4 circle around object and if it stays Hi-tone I will dig it, if it goes to iron at anytime while circling it is usually junk. This sounds like alot of work but it's not it saves a lot of wasted digging. Also I go super slooow. In my post below Chautaque Find's CZ-3D there were alot of nails because of corrals that stood there. I probably dug about 10-15 nails which isn't bad by using method above, It's a killer on the old Indian head ( 1870's - 80's ) as in salt mode they register mid tone and in enhanced go to Hi-tone. Also I spent about a month here. When I first started the ground was saturated from rain and I picked up a lot of very small Iron signals. As the ground dried out more I went back over and got less small Iron signals and was able to pull out a few more coins. I think if a person gets in an area where the ground is super wet and your getting a lot of small Iron signals go back when ground dries out you may be surprised.
I see on this forum and other forums that some people don't seem to think there are any places to hunt where you won't pick up a lot modern junk. I disagree, here in the Midwest there are all kinds of these place's that haven't seen any activity for over 100 yrs., picnic groves,horse race tracks,camp meeting areas. Most are now field's that are farmed, I believe 90% of metal detecting is spending time in libraries going over old newspapers and micro-film. 7% is actually finding the location, and about 3% is the actual recovery of objects. JMO Happy Hunting Mike

 

[Ron from Michigan]

Dan,and Mike Interesting post great information.

 

[jmaryt]

hi dan!
thanks for the input on the cz-3d!..i am interested,however as i find it difficult to hunt "old"yards,and "old" farm fields,i am limited to hunting pre-1950's sites that are loaded with "trash'!..since i DON'T have access to those aforementioned areas,may i respectively ask you what "recourse" do i have to hunt in "advanced" mode?..i am genuinely searching for a reason to justify purchasing this detector,and any and all tips,,info,,or what have you will be gratefully acknowledged!
thanks!

(h.h!)
j.t.

 

[jmaryt]

hi mike!
it is definately a "plus" for you if you reside in the midwest!..consider yourself fortunate in that regard..i,on the other hand live in new england different scenario altogether!..i am a "nice" guy who presents himself well!..i look good when i approach people,and i am pleasant,and STILL have trouble getting into the driveway,never mind the farm "fileld" out back!..apparently you HAVE to hunt these places in order to be successful with the cz-3d..hunting pre-1950's PUBLIC sites IS the ONLY alternative unfortunately!....having said that,with the unlikely event of moving to the mid west,what advice can you give me regarding the operation of the cz-3d in advanced mode?...thanks!

(h.h!)
j.t.

 

[Dan-Pa.]

Is a CZ3D for everyone of course not but for those that hunt those old areas and dig high tones in advanced mode they have 2 units in one which is at home in a local park or a 100 year old area with the flip of a toggle and I imagine many do hunt both types of areas. In your situation previous CZ's should serve you well.Certainly no justification needed as perhaps in your case you don't need a CZ and presume you own a convential CZ which should serve you well in your hunting conditions..For those that own a CZ3D one might try the advanced mode in newer areas and if digging too much trash just don't dig the facets where trash is overwhelming but personally the regular mode should just work fine as Nasa Tom tuned the CZ3D to be a dual unit and you do have the toggle if the situation arises where you can use the advanced mode.In addendum it appears to me the CZ3D handles iron better than previous CZ's and does have a midlow tone to alert you to foil where approx. 1/3 of your gold ring come in(thin womans rings with nice stones) so certainly these are plus factors and as far as depth even in the regular(salt) mode the go deep with sens. at 4.5 as a silver dime at close to a foot is surely superior depth..Bottom line perhaps you don't need a CZ3D but then again in the future you may find some old areas to hunt or perhaps the outskirts of a park may not be littered wth trash and a flip of the toggle may get you that nice old oddball coin that a convential CZ may have missed..In the end its your call and certainly your decision.

 

[jmaryt]

hello!..dan!
thank you for the input!..not trying to be "smug" or patting myself on the back,but you state the obvious,and upon careful reflection,your answer appears to be the only "strategy" one CAN employ under the previously mentioned conditions when using the detector in advanced mode in pre-1950's "junkyards!"..i believe at this stage i will take a "closer" look at either the f-70,or the f-75...as always,your input is of considerable importance,both to me,AND to everyone else on this forum!

thankyou!..dan!
(h.h!)
j.t.

 

[christopher-ohio]

between a bottle cap and pulltab from a coin compared to the F-Machines in the enhanced mode...that 3D would probably give you a lifetime of service without ever having to go back the the factory for "upgrades", coil problems, or broken parts in general...JMHO ...also, get the pre-1950 site notion out of your mind since I can hunt with a 3D anywhere without any problem...a properly tuned machine will find you some really nice older coins that read midtone on most other machines...I've proven this to myself time and time again.

 

[mike from Illinois]

J.T. this is Mike56. I had to redo my user name which is mike from Illinois now.
Hi J.T. This is sort of a tough question for me. I have hunted some older Victorian homes cira 1890 in my town. They have had there share of trash over the years but nothing I am sure that a park does. Last spring I hunted one of these houses that has been beat to death by two guys who use other brand detectors. In the side yard a space about 40 ft. long by 10 ft. wide I managed to pull out 3 wheat pennies early teens, a 1918 mercury dime and a 11/2 mill tax token from 1933 about the size of a half dime. I was using the 5" coil, enhanced mode, volume 8. sensitivity 6, ground 6. I credit this to the small coil and a very slow coil sweep, as there was quit a bit of trash in this area. I don't know what the coil sweep speed is on the other CZ's as I have never used one.I believe the small coil and especially the slow speed would work fine in a trashy area such as a park. It make s sense that with the two combined you should be able to get in between the junk. Do be fooled by the 5" coil as it gets down deep. You can actually run your sensitivity higher with it than a 8" coil without it falsing. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Mike

 

[Tinfoil]

n/t

 

[jmaryt]

hi mike!
i believe that the "puck" will make the difference with the 3d,as the science of physics remains the same regardless of detector used!..it stands to reason that the small coil would be more accurate in the "junk" because of it's ability to only have a certain number of targets under the coil at one time,and the cz-3d's "circuitry" will electronically "see" those targets more clearly and will be able to "isolate AND properly identify them!..looks like any trash hunting with the (d) you MUST use the "puck" to get the best discrimination in the "advanced " mode!..thanks a ton for your feedback!..information you can grab a hold of and run with!..

(h.h!)
j.t.

 

[jmaryt]

thnaks chris!
exactly the type of information i am looking for!..it is rewarding to hear it from an experiencd user!..apparently it is "no problem" to id the high tones in "advanced" mode!..this info is what i "need" to know in regards to the d's operation in trashy areas!..a simple statement that has huge implications!..from what i have been able to learn from you guys is that if you could NOT determine WHAT the target is,(with ANY degree of accuracy) in "high tone" IN advanced mode,then the cz-3d WOULD be about as useful as "teats" on a bull!..

regards!..and thanks!

(h.h!)
j.t.