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cz3d-1021/ whats the difference?

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butchie c

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Im thinking about getting a new cz3d,but after researching, I keep hearing about people looking for a specefic serial# 1021. What is the difference from serial1021 and a brand new cz3d?Would you by new or search around for the serial 1021cz3d.
 
I have had both of these detectors and loved them. The 1021 refers to the serial number. The big buzz is about the units that were made in California, before First Texas moved everything. The 1021s are thought to have superior depth. My brand new unit didn't air test as deep as a 1021 but I found a ton of stuff and lots of deep targets. You buy new you have a five year warranty. You pay a bunch for a 1021 and find out it has a problem you are going to pay to fix it. If you are lucky enough to find a 1021 at a reasonable price you should probably give it a whirl. If you are losing a lot of hunting time and building a lot of frustration I would buy a new one and get started hunting. My thought was if I were happy with the unit I would use it up till near the warranty was to expire and send it in for a check up and mention the depth. I do dig a lot of junk with mine, but I find a lot of cool things too. I think I will always have a CZ in my collection of detectors. Good luck, and let us know what you decide.

Don
HH
 
I had a 1021 first run machine I used for 3 years straight. Then I traded it in on the latest and greatest new machine. I didn't like the new machine so I called the dealer back and it was sold. So I moved on to minelab,But I always wanted another CZ-3D. Anyways finances and bad timing seem to keep me from getting another 1021. So I just bought a used one made by First texas and had Tom Dankowski the creater recalibrate it and it works great! The only difference I noticed is my 1021 I could run wide open as my new one falses past 6 sens. But it is as hot at 6 as my 1021 maxed. I even think it is a little better in iron. I would still like to get another 1021 as a second CZ-3D and a little nostalgia.
 
From what I have read, it seems that quality control on the earlier units was a lot better. They seem to use better quality parts and the attention to detail was a lot better. These units seem to last forever.

This is just my thoughts and are not facts.

Tom in SC
 
why are you digging a lot of junk?
in "high" tone in "enhanced" mode?
maybe a lot of iron? thanks!

(h.h.!)
j.t.
 
More aluminum trash, pieces of pull tabs, etc. may ring out as high tone in enhanced mode in areas that are from the 60's to the present.

In a cleaner, older area ( cleaner meaning less aluminum trash), enhanced mode will pull older coins with a high tone. Won't get fooled as much on the trash since most junk items will be small iron, nails and bottle caps.

I went to a newer park with my 3D and ran it in enhanced mode and figured out in a hurry it was not the place to be to use enhanced mode.
 
yeah understood,however,in my location,nothin' but very old places
virtually "littered" with modern aluminum "crap".i believe i read some time back,that the cz-3d
will give a "3rd" mid tone on the aluminum junk,and as such, will effectively still allow discrimination in those areas?
perhaps this is incorrect,and you CANNOT discriminate aluminum from coins in this environment,using "enhanced" mode. in any event,
finding a site that was used from the 50's back,that is NOT "slammed" with modern crap is almost impossible!
just sayin!

(h.h.!)
j.t.
 
A pre-1950's site with little aluminum trash tends to be the exception rather than the norm unless it's a totally 'virgin' site where there hasn't been recent activity.
 
right! knowing this makes one wonder where you really can use it in "enhanced" mode
with the possible exception of "old picnic groves" IF you are lucky enough to find 'em,and
knocking on doors to hunt private yards!..just sayin'

(h.h.!)
j.t.
 
The concept of a CZ3D in enhanced mode is basically dig more to get more and in a real old area excells but if you get into a newer area or perhaps an older area that is still being used it falls flat on its face as you indeed will dig a lot of junk so a simple switch of the toggle gets you in regular mode..This pre 1950 areas is not old to me as I am talking about turn of the century and early 1900's. Many are of the feeling that in enhanced mode it will go deeper than an older CZ which is not a truism and an older CZ will go deeper than a CZ3D in regular mode as its locked in salt mode in the CZ3D. A lot of detectorists are confused and if you Google around you will find some interesting articles on the CZ3D and its workings. Having said the above indeed in real old areas a CZ3D will excel but as everything in life their are give and takeaways and again any CZ properly tuned is a good unit with 20 year old technology that will easily keep up with todays technology.
 
Well said Dan. You will lose a little depth in salt mode but it will still keep up
with a lot of machines.
In salt mode the tones go back to standard tones.
 
It still does good in trashy sites. I had mine out over the weekend at a old site still in use that I hunted in enhanced mode. I pulled two Indians that read high tone zinc. When I got home I air tested them with my E-trac and they hit at 32-34. I know I wouldn't have dug them in all that trash with those numbers and tones. That's the very reason I got another CZ-3D!
 
its so nice to know that my newer 3D isnt as good as the older ones, im so glad I paid $850. for it, but? what are you gonna do. if there was a market for rusty nails id be rich.
 
Don't fell bad,even though I'm happy with mine I do have a cosiderable amount of money in it with the cost of the detector and a Tom tune-up. But still a little cheaper than a new one. But then again with the coins I have already found with it helped take a chunk out of the price. Plus it easier for me to swing than my E-trac. It gives my arm a rest.
 
The CZ3D requires a good ear. Listen to the tones for the different changes in the tone. A piece of junk aluminum will almost have a raspy of buzz type of high tone. A coin will be a sharp tone with little or no
buzz before or after the beep. If you are new to the unit try taking notes as to the quality of the tone and then what the target actually was. Often a junk high tone will be zzzbeepzzz where the tone is kinda fuzzy
then clear and fuzzy on the end. Soon after training your ear, you will be digging a lot less junk and more good targets. I never look at the display now, just listen to the tones. Screw caps still give me a problem
as the CZ loves any round target. I will often go to a site and dig just the really good targets, then I will return and sample some of the iffy targets. This is how I have found some of my best stuff on the second hunt.
Rings, tokens and odd shaped items.
 
Tmanly, glad you mentioned the different sound within a single tone, I'm still learning my CZ3D and I had noticed that trait, maybe its because I'm a Tesoro user also. Talk to any competent Tesoro user and he will tell you all about a broken, chopped or raspy signal and what it tells him. I think a lot of people just listen for the different frequency of the tones(high, low, mid), and miss out on the fact that there is a bit more info to be had within each tone, if you listen carefully.
 
Be careful though! I have had some loud funky high tones that were big silver coins on edge and not too deep!
 
I have a 1021 & it's a heck of a relic machine. It excels in hot ground that my new FT detector is having trouble with.
 
Don't sell you newer CZ3d short. I have found a ton of old deep stuff with my newer CZ3d. I did eventually get a 1021 and I am not sure I did the right thing when I let my other CZ3 go. Enjoy it. No matter what detector you use somebody will tell you that something else is better. Guys who relax and use what they have often find a lot more stuff than those that bounce from machine to machine. Good luck.

Don
HH
 
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