CZ21

[rollie29]

Just received my CZ21 and noticed it didn't include a strap for the cuff, does anyone know if that's supposed to be included? Has anyone out there used the Anderson straight shaft with this? If so, is the balance better? Thanks.

 

[NamVetLesTreasureSeeker]

Hey Rollie, If they don't include a armstrap, BUY YOURSELF a WHITES ARMSTRAP INSTEAD, it is MUCH BETTER QUALITY, than the FISHER STRAPS!
But, I would either check with the dealer that you bought it from, and then contact FIRST TEXAS FISHER Co.,, if the dealer does not supply one!! But, if you have to purchase an armstrap, THEN BUY A WHITES ARMSTRAP!! I put WHITES ARMSTRAPS on ALL MY (6) Detectors, (3) of them are water detectors!!
I think they cost about the same price. HH, Les Robinson

 

[Gulf Hunter]

The arm cuff strap is an optional accessory, from Fisher and not included. I ordered one, but do not use it anyway, as I have the control housing mounted to the Anderson short shaft. Worlds of difference there mate, you need one, but buy the heavy duty Anderson lower shaft too. The stock CZ21 lower shaft is very fragile and I snapped one off, 1st hunt.

 

[therover]

I know you were debating about whether to get the 8 or 10 inch coil. That's a killer set up you have.

 

[Gulf Hunter]

It's OK therover, thanks for asking. I certainly like the coverage, but am still struggling to pinpoint targets in the water using auto or disc. Works better for me using the pinpoint button. I guess that's why they put one on there, huh? I am able to pinpoint much more accurately with my Excal, in Disc or Pinpoint, but I also have several hundred hours of hunt time with the Excal. Perhaps, I will someday be as efficient with the CZ. It is still up in the air about the superiority over the Excal though, we'll see. Quite frankly neither unit is producing much of anything for me right now(gold-wise). 25 straight no-gold hunts is very demoralizing, for even the hardiest pirate, but the tenacious perseverence has not left me yet! Think I'll head out about 3A and giver a sweep!

 

[Tinfoil]

You can switch the knob on the Dis for nickle targets. My CZ20 is on a straight shaft and works great that way. Your pinpoint will be a lot better to work since it is just a push pad. Try it you might like it. HH Later Bud, : : Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

[rmptr]

[quote Gulf Hunter]25 straight no-gold hunts is very demoralizing, for even the hardiest pirate, but the tenacious perseverence has not left me yet! [/quote]

Well, Gulf Hunter... How's it feel?

Hunting a beach AFTER the Gulf Hunter has been there before???

If I was in your part of the world, I wouldn't even bother hitting a nearby beach unless it was after a big storm or something like that!

You might wish to rest up a bit until the replant season gets underway.

Can I ask how many miles of coastland you range over?

Maybe time to think outside the box?

Best of luck to you,
Always enjoy your posts.
rmptr

 

[Gulf Hunter]

Well, the island is 32 miles long and BELIEVE me, I've been thinking outside the box, for a long while now. Fixin' to head out in a couple of hours and go think about it summore! There is still plenty there, even though the fresh drops are not occurring yet, has been a bit dismal for the other local pirate mates around here too. I don't know of anyone really lighting it up around these parts rmptr.
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[Gulf Hunter]

Jerry, I like the idea of having the control housing facing forward, to see the face plate. Anderson said, that there was no provision to have the control housing mounted that way. It is MUCH better balanced the way I have it now, over the stock arrangement. I can access the knobs ok, but they are just under the cuff and the box is inverted. I am getting used to it now, thanks for the tip mate!

 

[Tinfoil]

And it is adjustable forward or aft to give you a beter balance. He made ours or got them from Babbs. I don't remember which. Must be all the water damage to my brain from all the water hunting I do. Nothing to it. Or I think you can get it from Bill Babbs. You can use your old white shaft and handle. Hey it don't cost anything to look right. : : HH Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

[Daniel A.]

Gulf Hunter I haven't had my new CZ-21 in the water yet maybe this month but I've put 60 hours of land hunting in this year so far and am doing real well have got a 14K chain that weighed 10.4g 1 14K ring yellow & white gold 6.4g a 18K ring small at 2.2g a number of silver pieces and 150.00 dollars in clad.

 

[Gulf Hunter]

n/t

 

[Gulf Hunter]

But I already have the Anderson shaft Jerry and as you can see in the photo above, the control housing is mounted under the cuff. There is no provision for mounting the control box, where you can look at the face plate, straight on, unfortunately. If the control housing was on top, then it would be in the way of the handle on that shaft. That stock shaft is too flimsy for me. I snapped off the lower shaft on the 1st hunt. Used to leaning on the Lighting Rod, with my Excal, when I dig out a scoop. Mike Scott at Fisher took REAL good care of me on that deal, LOL! It's not JUST the Fisher though, as I did the same thing on the Anderson shaft a couple of hunts later, LOL! Good thing I have back-up shafts!

 

[Daniel A.]

mojo Gulf Hunter. The coin ring was a Dec. find 22K the rest are this year. Dan

 

[Tinfoil]

And turn the housing around. That way when you hit a target stop the coil over the target and push the pinpoint button with your middle finger. The control housing is still mounted to the bottom of the shaft.Only you have the housing faceing the coil not turned around to the back like you have it now. Since the CZ 21 has a momentary push on and off if I am right it will stay engaged till you push it again. That is a lot nicer then my 20. I have to hold the button in when I am trying to get a small target.

Maybe I did not make it clear on my other post. The problem with the control box mounted to the back like you have you have to take your arm out of the strap to get at the button and you lose control of the detector when you are in the surf. This way your arm stays in the strap, you put your thumb and forfinger together wrapped under the shaft and push the button with your middle finger.

Now if you had this simple mount bracket that you put on the shaft you can adjust the housing forward and aft to get a better balance but, you can adjust the control housing between the handle so you can get at the pinpoint button also. My handle is a M/L handle so it wil slide back and forth also. I have my shaft balance so well it will balance on one finger. It is one of those things that is simple to understand once you see it and adjust everything. Mine works great. It might not work right for you since you have the hard mounted spring snaps and you can't adjust your box or your handle.

I would try turning the housing around where the face of the control box is still on the bottom of the shaft and facing your coil and see if you can get to your pinpoint button without taking your arm out of the strap. Hope I cleared this up for you. Next time I am over there LOOTING your beach I will bring my bracket.

I got to make another straight shaft as I put it on my Excal and gave my CZ20 a rest after 15 years. Later Bud HH : : Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

[Gulf Hunter]

OH, I see what you mean now. That would work, but would put a nasty kink in the coil wire. The headphone wire should have been on top of the control housing anyway. Why would they have it under the control housing? As it is now, there is a bend in the headphone wire, but it's not too bad. I do not have to use the pinpoint button very often anymore, but when necessary, I simply reach over with my left hand and tap it. Do not have to take my arm out of the strap. It's not that big of a deal, but the Excal is a little easier to navigate. I am hoping for a little extra depth using the CZ and from what I can tell so far, it is. Thanks for the tip Jerry.

 

[AllenOK]

I've been using the 10.5" loop on my CZ-5 for years before I got my CZ-20, so when I saw a CZ-20 with a 10.5" loop on it, I snagged it right up!

On dry land (or even really shallow water, where I can see the coil easily), I use the "X" style pinpoint. I find that the oval-shaped receive coil helps in visualizing a "line" running from 12 o'clock, through the center of the coil, to 6 o'clock. When I cross the target, and it beeps, I mentally imagine that line on the ground, and turn 90 degrees and sweep that imaginary line again. When it beeps the second time, I visualize a second line, based on the coil, running at an angle to the first. Where those two lines intersect, well, basically, "X marks the spot".

In the water, I use a method I call "Bracketing". When I get a target, I pass the coil back and forth over the target, slowly, and decreasing the distance travelled with each pass. After a few seconds, I won't be able to move the coil a fraction of an inch without the detector sounding off. Once I reach this stage, I start moving the coil forwards and back, again, decreasing the distance travelled with each pass. After a few seconds, I will not be able to move the coil but a fraction of an inch in ANY direction without the coil sounding off. I then have the target "bracketted". I'll plant my coil on the bottom (often getting a bell tone), move my foot up to touch my coil, remove the coil, and place my scoop on top of my foot, with the point of the scoop just forward of my toe and angeled down.

Now, I'm a lakes and stream person. I've never hunted big surf, so I wouldn't know how to deal with that condition, but hopefully this helps you.

 

[NamVetLesTreasureSeeker]

Hey Gulf Hunter, Don't YOU KNOW, THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO BABY YOUR DETECTOR!! I know CZ'S are suppose to be GORILLA PROOF, but I don't know any lower shafts that are GORILLA PROOF!! Ha Ha!! Les

 

[Gulf Hunter]

I AM HARD ON LOWER SHAFTS, THAT'S FOR SURE Les!

 

[NamVetLesTreasureSeeker]

Gulf Hunter, I guess WE ALL HAVE OUR SHORTCOMINGS!! I really RESPECT AN HONEST PERSON, who recognizes their SHORTCOMINGS!! HH, Les