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CZ and Hot Soil

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Bedfordbob

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Hello,
I would like to know how well the CZs work on Hot Soil, mineralized ground. We've been doing some hunting around Culpeper Va. For those of you that have never hunted on this type of ground, it's unbelievable ! For example I use and E-Trac and F-75. A mini ball at 4 inches can read and sound as iron. We've went so far as to bring bucket loads of this red soil back to Pa to test various machines and settings. The machines we've tryed so far on this soil are the E-Trac, F-75 LTD, Garrett 2500, Sovereign, and V3i. Of these machines the F-75 in the JE mode has the edge. The machines will see the target a decent depths but everything looks like iron to them. I know many of the serious hunters are now using pulse machines like the TDI and Gpxs. Two of our group has gotten the TDIs and tomorrow will be the first time out with them. I would like to hear from someone who has used a CZ around there and what they could tell me as to depth and if much discrimination is possible.

Thanks much,
Bedfordbob
 
Bob,

Not sure how well the CZ will do on that soil, but I bet the TDI will do well. It's a great machine.
 
From what I have heard of the area you speak of and never hunted there haven't heard of any unit that excells in this enviroment. I do know a CZ punches deep in moderate mineralized Pa. soil and perhaps an ardent CZ user that has hunted the area can add his input from personal experience...
 
I know in the black laden sand beaches here in NYC. The CZ trumps Minelab machines. I have an ETrac and run a friends Excal 1000. Nether does as well when there are black sand lines on the beach. Im not sure if the black sands are equal to the red iron oxide clay you have there though. My guess it is not. I would do some research into DIV hunts and see what has worked and what hasn't..
 
I thought I would update this post a bit for those of you who might be thinking of using a CZ to hunt on Hot Soil. I bought a Cz-7a Pro with and 8 inch coil. We had brought back 5 gallon bucket loads of this stuff from the Culpeper Va. area. Here's what I can tell you all so far. We step up a test container with a mine-ball placed at 7 inches deep. I'm fortunate being a dealer I have access to many machines. The E-trac sensitivity on auto +3, opened up the whole way with no iron discrimination would "hit" the bullet only one way constantly and a soft hit at that ( I wouldn't normally dig that type of signal ) If you added one notch to to iron mask, it would not see it. The F-75 in the JE mode, sens at 60 would hit it but lightly both ways, target ID 12. The 75 in all metal would see it no problem but again as iron. The CZ ground balanced an it the "SALT" mode would hit it hard any angle you swung the coil. This was with no discrimination. Not running in SALT forget it. It did ID the bullet as iron which is what all the machines did. We also tryed an Excalibur II, it did not see the bullet.
Last weekend we did go south and two of guys used TDIs. In fairness this was their first trip out with them. Keith did get more buttons and the rest of combined. We all got a ton of square nails, Spencer cartridges, some bullets and other Relics. Can't wait to try the CZ out down there for real.

HH
BB
 
Bedfordbob said:
I thought I would update this post a bit for those of you who might be thinking of using a CZ to hunt on Hot Soil. I bought a Cz-7a Pro with and 8 inch coil. We had brought back 5 gallon bucket loads of this stuff from the Culpepper Va. area. Here's what I can tell you all so far. We step up a test container with a mine-ball placed at 7 inches deep. I'm fortunate being a dealer I have access to many machines. The E-trac sensitivity on auto +3, opened up the whole way with no iron discrimination would "hit" the bullet only one way constantly and a soft hit at that ( I wouldn't normally dig that type of signal ) If you added one notch to to iron mask, it would not see it. The F-75 in the JE mode, sens at 60 would hit it but lightly both ways, target ID 12. The 75 in all metal would see it no problem but again as iron. The CZ ground balanced an it the "SALT" mode would hit it hard any angle you swung the coil. This was with no discrimination. Not running in SALT forget it. It did ID the bullet as iron which is what all the machines did. We also tryed an Excalibur II, it did not see the bullet.
Last weekend we did go south and two of guys used TDIs. In fairness this was their first trip out with them. Keith did get more buttons and the rest of combined. We all got a ton of square nails, Spencer cartridges, some bullets and other Relics. Can't wait to try the CZ out down there for real.

HH
BB
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Mr.Bedfordbob, I have friends who live in the Boston,Virginia area close to Culpeper who are die hard Relic Hunters, everything gets dug, sens as high as possible and dis set between 1 & 2...You find the original Garrett 3 deep seeker and this machine will cut through hot soil like butter. :cheers::csflag::fisher:
 
Have audio variances and abilities that surpass the new fangled mult facetted high priced units on todays market and appreciate the input of Happy Hour...In one instance working a saltwater beach saw a fellow with a real oldie unit and stopped to talk. He had a full pouch including a gold ring and silver quarter and stated his son bought him one of the above and after trying it confused him and is still in the box...so whatever works one guesses..Can't think of the name but will add if I do. Remember on my first cup of coffee...
 
Happy_Hour said:
Bedfordbob said:
I thought I would update this post a bit for those of you who might be thinking of using a CZ to hunt on Hot Soil. I bought a Cz-7a Pro with and 8 inch coil. We had brought back 5 gallon bucket loads of this stuff from the Culpepper Va. area. Here's what I can tell you all so far. We step up a test container with a mine-ball placed at 7 inches deep. I'm fortunate being a dealer I have access to many machines. The E-trac sensitivity on auto +3, opened up the whole way with no iron discrimination would "hit" the bullet only one way constantly and a soft hit at that ( I wouldn't normally dig that type of signal ) If you added one notch to to iron mask, it would not see it. The F-75 in the JE mode, sens at 60 would hit it but lightly both ways, target ID 12. The 75 in all metal would see it no problem but again as iron. The CZ ground balanced an it the "SALT" mode would hit it hard any angle you swung the coil. This was with no discrimination. Not running in SALT forget it. It did ID the bullet as iron which is what all the machines did. We also tryed an Excalibur II, it did not see the bullet.
Last weekend we did go south and two of guys used TDIs. In fairness this was their first trip out with them. Keith did get more buttons and the rest of combined. We all got a ton of square nails, Spencer cartridges, some bullets and other Relics. Can't wait to try the CZ out down there for real.

HH
BB
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Mr.Bedfordbob, I have friends who live in the Boston,Virginia area close to Culpeper who are die hard Relic Hunters, everything gets dug, sens as high as possible and dis set between 1 & 2...You find the original Garrett 3 deep seeker and this machine will cut through hot soil like butter. :cheers::csflag::fisher:
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Thank You for the input. 21 days and counting until our hunt. Just got a 10.5 coil for the 7a Pro. Going to spend some time this weekend testing it in our Culpeper soil box. It will be a dig everything hunt. We'll be taking the CZ, F-75 Special Edition, TDI ( my son-in-law will be using that ) and an E-Trac. I was hoping to get some time detecting around here this weekend with the CZ but the weather at this point looks like 2 days of rain. Maybe next weekend. We had a Fisher Gold Bug DP here but only for a day and I didn't think to try it on the Culpeper soil. The fellow that bought it doesn't live close or I'd have him bring it back in. He's doing quite well on coins and Relics, the soil he is hunting is much milder.

BB
 
I don't know if the 10.5 coil will help.
It will see much more volume of dirt and work harder then the stock coil.
 
Larger coils do not work as well on salt water beaches or black sand as well as smaller ones so imagine same principle for hot soil I would guess never having hunted in extremely bad mineralization on land so gmanlights post was probably accurate...
 
I have a CZ 7apro & CZ3D. Both do very well in the mineralized soil of Maryland & West Virginia & PA. My friend & I were detecting in MD yesterday. He was using a F75 LTD & I the CZ-3D. I out dug him 5 to1. In one area I got into some round balls. I had him go over some of the targets to see what they responded as before I dug them. There were Three that the F75 couldn't pick up. Some of the others read as Iron to good. The CZ was able to detect round balls at 7"-8". The F75 LTD could only go down to 5".
 
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