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CZ 21 help

midalake

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So I am giving the 21 another shot tomorrow. It airtested great in the room tonight. However a question about the disc mode. Does the changes in tones happen when running in this mode, or only when switching to pinpoint? Because when I airtest in disc. the only time I hear different tones for different metals is when I switch to pinpoint.....I cannot even tell if this is right by reading the book. I was testing in Disc. 0 mode. This is a new machine for me so I have been a little lost.

Dave
 
Midalake, you should not be hearing Target I.D. tones (low,mid,high) in pinpoint or autotune.
Read the manual again, referring to pages 15 (Autotune), and 16 (Target I.D.). Good luck.
 
When you say air test are you using a single item on the ground under your coil? If you are in disc mode 0 then you should not expect to hear more than one tone frequency, either low, mid or high depending on the target.

In disc mode zero, have a nail, a pulltab, a nickel, a zinc cent, a copper cent, a dime and a quarter laid out with seveal inches to a foot between them. Once you understand the different target categories for these objects it gets easier. You'll hear a low tone over the nail, mid tone over the pulltab, depending on it's make-up, and high tones over the coins. Now turn your disc up one notch at a time and see where you stop hearing each target until you get to the high coin category.

As for pinpoint mode, it is a variable frequency that increases as you come closer to being directly over the target. That means the sound gets higher-pitched until you are directly over the target. Learn pinpointing until you are blue in the face. Learn to determine where that target is under the coil when the PP gives the best indication, this is the single best thing to learn on your machine. Finding the target quicker gets you looking for the next one sooner. Put the target under some cardboard, Use the disc mode to determine roughly where the target is then go to PP and hone in on it. Mark the spot on the cardboard, then check to see if you're right, but always air test from 4-6 or more inches above your target. Learn to pinpoint from that height too and you'll be spending a lot less time digging and scooping.

Of course real world means keeping the coil close to the ground but for learning that new machine in the otherwise useless medium of air do everything from the greatest distance possible. This holds true for all machines.

Now, repeat all that in autotune and you'll be well on your way down the rabbit hole.
 
Never have used a CZ21 but if it's like my old CZ6a that I used to have you should get a tone ID only in disc mode and nothing else. I usually ran in AM and with disc @ 0, I would switch to disc to get an ID. HH
 
Was dissapointed this morning, this machine cannot be working right. I do not hear different tones in disc 0 if I do it is ever so slightnot enough to identify a different metal, and numerous time I lost ground Balance once it was set. I even had a threshold break in in disc mode.I have a sovereign unit here as well and never have to change the sensetivity level once I set it. There is very little black sand here. Also I cannot seem to get any type of depth to it. I wish there was someone here to confirm this unit not working correctly. Yesterday I went to my friends house and pick-up his new whites PI machine, did not have a learning curve there I was finding more coins than him.

Dave
 
Check it with the Disc. knob set on 1 or 2. Fisher had a problem with sending out new CZ or repaired machines with the knob placed in the wrong position. Let us know.
 
O.K know this doesn't make sense because you can't turn knob but so far, but had a friend that had two sent from Fisher and when set on 0 would actually be in auto tune! Both went back to have corrected.
 
The problem is that with the new pinpoint button on the CZ-21 (which I hate), if you are not experienced with a CZ you might not know if you are in disc. or pinpoint. There is no indicator. You will hear the three different tones in disc. In pinpoint, the pitch will get higher gradually as you get closer to the target. If you do not hear the three tones with different metals, tap that stupid pp button and see if you can get it to change to disc. This button is a terrible design and difficult to engage and disengage. I've been using CZ's a long time, and I'd rather not have a PP button than have the one that's on the CZ-21.

TheHawg
 
U know that is what crossed my mind at one point, but with no experience on the machine what are the differences I am looking at? From what I get your saying that I might be in auto tune but showing 0 mode?

Dave
 
Correct, turn knob to 2 and give it a try on say a iron nail and a quarter for sound difference. Should be a low grunt on nail and a higher pitch tone on the quarter. After doing that put it back on 0 and check the nail and quarter if they sound the same then something is wrong. Should only sound the same in auto-tune which is all metal no disc.
 
Another thought, Read what TheHawg said above - I myself have a CZ 20 but the 21 has the touch button to put it in pinpoint. I don't know how touchy it is but make sure your not accidentally touching it and maybe putting the machine in pinpoint mode. That could also explain whats going on.
 
There is no doubt between pin point and regular mode. i check it often. I am taking the GT out tomorrow for some real hunting and will test some trash when I get back.

Dave
 
Your right about the PP button. What makes it tough for a first time user is I was not used to hearing such a Narrow sound in disc.mode. There for as a beginner on the machine I thought the narrow tone was the PP mode and the broader tone the search mode........My button is set correctly [position to number correlation] and now I am sure I can actually GB in the right mode!!!!!! Kind of feel stupid, but the narrow signal in disc mode is just not what my ears were accustomed too.

Dave
 
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