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CZ 20 ... What Next ?

that if and when the 20 is replaced it will be by something that has a fresh water mode with no sensitivity loss to small low conductors AND does NOT drop deeper targets to an iron reading.
I guess it would have to be a spinoff of the 3D since that is the only multi-freq machine left in the lineup? :shrug: Waterproof cases are expensive to build and the 3D should be a fit in the present case.

Tom
 
I hope they'd make it a three mode disc. along with an auto tune mode. Salt, Normal, Enhanced, and auto tune. I'd also like to see the same thing on the next CZ land machine (if there will be one.) Fourth tone for the underwater version too. Weight trimming and better ergos would be nice. Going from 8 AA's to 2 9V would help that.
 
Perhaps a waterproof ID Excel is in the works.The Coinstrike proved that Fisher`s new single frequency technology performs well on the beach and the Excel showed that it can be made more user friendly.
 
its somethng entirely new. Without changes to the GB and MF circuitry current CZ's really don't cut it for freshwater compared to the better single freq machines..

Tom
 
Now that the Edge has been introduced I can`t see Fisher keeping the 3D in production.With the 1280X and CZ20 gone they will likely bring out a new water machine based on the Edge or the Excel.About a year ago I read a post by an engineer who looked up the Coinstrike patents.He said that it seemed to him that the detector used a series of pulses of variable duration and intervals on a single frequency.Fisher may have decided that this technology is the way to go for all high and mid priced machines.
 
The CZ followers are many, and I hope the new one's have more success than the C$, not that it wasn't a good detector, it just was real slow gaining acceptance with CZ users, as the excel was. It just could be that used CZ's might be at a premium in the future. I hope I'm wrong.---Wade tx
 
Hi Joe,

If it was the patent I saw, it looked like they were doing sampling at different intervals of the waveform. I'm no engineer and really was not sure if it was a VLF patent or some new PI.

Tom
 
so I can't see Fisher investing in a machine that they are only going to have a limited run of. But I do believe Fisher is trying to scale back on their hobby detectors. This could be for financial reasons. Lets face the facts these are trying times financially for businesses. By the time everything is said and done, Fisher might only have out 2 or three land machines and offer only one water machine.
 
used a Coinstrike for a short time and didn't like the Coinstrike. To me the Coinstrike is just like the Excel with more Features and similar situation as with the Edge.
 
For hunting older sites with a lot of different conditions and types of iron the Excel is a great machine. I used a C$ from the time it came out until this last summer. It worked sites very well with iron handling that generally out performed machines like the 1270 and ML Advantage but was a little touchy and inconsistent at times. The Excel is a more consistent performer in iron and much easier to use across a broad range of conditions. It does not have the depth of the C$ but for the type sites we hunt it is sufficient and the ability to pull good stuff out of iron is exceptional. That is why a lot of us prefer the Excel over the C$ and why we look forward to giving the ID Edge a shot.

HH Tom
 
the main shortcoming of the C$ is it's sensitivity to various forms of interference. If it had the ability to pretty well negate this problem, (freq shift?, better shielding?) I think the C$ would get it's "due". Whenever I use it in an area of low/no interference, it just puts a big smile on my face. :)
 
It's performance can absolutely amaze you, then it turns around and the Mr. Hyde comes out!
 
1280 X with a saltmode switch might be the answer..For over 10 years the 1280 X has been one of the best freshwater machines around...Think of it no retooling for Fisher and would imagine it can be done with minimum cost saving both Fisher and the Consumer...Seems somewhere along the way they had CZ20 problems while the 1280 has been around forever...Makes one wonder as the CZ6 that came on the scene in 92 although different models over the years is still going strong...
 
or perhaps something like an Edge or C$ in a waterproof housing? :shrug:
They are obviously leaning towards the new engineers designs
 
I don`t think Fisher really has much invested in the 3D since it is just a minor modification of the old analog CZ`s.It may be just a market test of the enhancement idea we now see more developed in the Edge.The greater range of enhancements and capabilities of the Edge combined with a lower price should eventually drive out the 3D.For the time being,however ,CZ and analog detector fans have one last chance at a new one.You are right though,the market is very crowded and cut backs are due.I notice the new machines being offered so far are more in the mid priced range.
 
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