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Curious about the "flagship" status of the GTI 2500

JASONSPAZ1

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The AT series including the MAX are great performers. Garrett is touting newer electronics and features of the AT-MAX, which I think is great. However, one must wonder if Garrett still considers the 2500 as their flagship? The GTI platform is twenty years old. Just curious about the status of the 2500. I've noticed Garrett introduces new machines in pairs. So I wonder if we are getting the true new Garrett flagship or is the AT-MAX the peak?

No bashing meant just curiosity.

HH
Jason
 
It's time to retire that dinosaur. I had one a few years ago, and I have the ATP now. I think the ATP is light years ahead.
 
Long post and humble opinion here ... I will stick by it.

The GTI2500 is unmatched for one reason: it displays the target's depth and size, simultaneously.

When you pinpoint, every modern detector shows the target's depth. Of course the GTI2500 does this too. But it goes one step further. It shows the target's size.

In the past years, I have used some "good" detectors (meaning, they were good at the time). They still have good reputations. Examples, the Fisher CZ-7a and CZ-70, the Garrett Beach Hunter AT3, the Garrett GTP1350, and a Teknetics Gamma.

Right now, besides the GTI2500, I have a Teknetics Omega version 6.

With every one EXCEPT the GTI2500, if they showed a coin at, say, 4 inches --- it could be accurate, or it could be a larger object at 6 or 7 inches. With other detectors, I've dug can slaw at 9 inches that rang up like a coin at 2 inches. You could say, of course, well, if it said "2 inches" and you're down deeper than 4 or 5 inches and the target's still in the hole, then you could stop digging. But life isn't always like that. Just one more inch, still looking for the coin, and just one or two more, "just in case". If it's deep, it might be old.

You take time doing that, and come up with can slaw. Not with the GTI2500.

Up front, you know what the depth and size are.

... Aside: it's due to the cone-shaped pattern of the search signal. A "large" metal target down deep in the "small" area of the pattern comes back similar to a "small" metal target up shallow in the "large" area of the pattern.

Your mileage may vary, but I think that's a fact of life.

In other detectors, there are two windings in the search coil: a transmit winding, and a receive winding. In the ground, there's one cone-shaped pattern.

The GTI2500 coil has three windings: a transmit winding, and two receive windings. The two receive windings are of different diameters. In effect, the GTI processor sees two cone-shaped patterns: one larger and deeper, and one smaller and shallower. The processor has two cones to analyze the depth and size.

So, in addition to the target's "type" (i.e., iron, silver, foil, zinc, etc), which all decent detectors process, the GTI sees one more piece of information: it also processes the target's size.

OK, enough of that stuff.

When I first got the GTI (and the GTP before it), I dug everything. Just to see how it worked. I already found that the target "type" was accurate (as much as any good unit can be, given mineralization, halo effects, nearby trash, etc). No sweat there. What I wanted to find out, was how accurate was the target's "depth" and "size".

It's accurate.

Yes, it can be fooled once in a while, but not often. If it says it's a large object down deep, it usually is. With other machines, I could dig a deep can lid that rang like a shallow coin. Not with the GTI2500.

Of course, if you're detecting for relics, you might want to dig the large target. It might be an antique pocket watch down at 9 inches, or it could be a pocket spill of multiple coins.

The point is, you get both items of information right up front. Make your "X" pattern, and the GTI will show both: target depth, and target size. You can make the call. You don't need to do anything special -- it's there to see while you're pinpointing.

Yes, it has issues. It's heavy. Even with the 9.5-inch coil. (We won't even discuss the 12-inch coil.) The display is in segments, instead of real numbers. It gets good mileage on batteries, but there are eight AAs to replace. Those issues ought to be addressed.

I've enjoyed all the detectors I've had. I had good finds with the older ones. Right now, the Omega (version 6) is excellent and I use it regularly, with enjoyment. But the GTI is the go-to machine for "serious" detecting.

Come on, Garrett -- time's up.

Cheers,

Joe
 
Gamma_Joe said:
Long post and humble opinion here ... I will stick by it.

The GTI2500 is unmatched for one reason: it displays the target's depth and size, simultaneously.

When you pinpoint, every modern detector shows the target's depth. Of course the GTI2500 does this too. But it goes one step further. It shows the target's size.

In the past years, I have used some "good" detectors (meaning, they were good at the time). They still have good reputations. Examples, the Fisher CZ-7a and CZ-70, the Garrett Beach Hunter AT3, the Garrett GTP1350, and a Teknetics Gamma.

Right now, besides the GTI2500, I have a Teknetics Omega version 6.

With every one EXCEPT the GTI2500, if they showed a coin at, say, 4 inches --- it could be accurate, or it could be a larger object at 6 or 7 inches. With other detectors, I've dug can slaw at 9 inches that rang up like a coin at 2 inches. You could say, of course, well, if it said "2 inches" and you're down deeper than 4 or 5 inches and the target's still in the hole, then you could stop digging. But life isn't always like that. Just one more inch, still looking for the coin, and just one or two more, "just in case". If it's deep, it might be old.

You take time doing that, and come up with can slaw. Not with the GTI2500.

Up front, you know what the depth and size are.

... Aside: it's due to the cone-shaped pattern of the search signal. A "large" metal target down deep in the "small" area of the pattern comes back similar to a "small" metal target up shallow in the "large" area of the pattern.

Your mileage may vary, but I think that's a fact of life.

In other detectors, there are two windings in the search coil: a transmit winding, and a receive winding. In the ground, there's one cone-shaped pattern.

The GTI2500 coil has three windings: a transmit winding, and two receive windings. The two receive windings are of different diameters. In effect, the GTI processor sees two cone-shaped patterns: one larger and deeper, and one smaller and shallower. The processor has two cones to analyze the depth and size.

So, in addition to the target's "type" (i.e., iron, silver, foil, zinc, etc), which all decent detectors process, the GTI sees one more piece of information: it also processes the target's size.

OK, enough of that stuff.

When I first got the GTI (and the GTP before it), I dug everything. Just to see how it worked. I already found that the target "type" was accurate (as much as any good unit can be, given mineralization, halo effects, nearby trash, etc). No sweat there. What I wanted to find out, was how accurate was the target's "depth" and "size".

It's accurate.

Yes, it can be fooled once in a while, but not often. If it says it's a large object down deep, it usually is. With other machines, I could dig a deep can lid that rang like a shallow coin. Not with the GTI2500.

Of course, if you're detecting for relics, you might want to dig the large target. It might be an antique pocket watch down at 9 inches, or it could be a pocket spill of multiple coins.

The point is, you get both items of information right up front. Make your "X" pattern, and the GTI will show both: target depth, and target size. You can make the call. You don't need to do anything special -- it's there to see while you're pinpointing.

Yes, it has issues. It's heavy. Even with the 9.5-inch coil. (We won't even discuss the 12-inch coil.) The display is in segments, instead of real numbers. It gets good mileage on batteries, but there are eight AAs to replace. Those issues ought to be addressed.

I've enjoyed all the detectors I've had. I had good finds with the older ones. Right now, the Omega (version 6) is excellent and I use it regularly, with enjoyment. But the GTI is the go-to machine for "serious" detecting.

Come on, Garrett -- time's up.

Cheers,

Joe


Joe I think it is great that you are tuned into your machine and that it works for you. I am using a Sovereign GT still so I should not be talking about older machines not producing. It is just that for the price and it being long in the tooth electronics wise, I just do not understand that Garrett has not addressed the GTI series.

HH
Jason
 
Jason wrote:

"It is just that for the price and it being long in the tooth electronics wise, I just do not understand that Garrett has not addressed the GTI series."

You pinpointed it perfectly there.

It's heavy. I can swing the Omega all day long, but the GTI gets heavy after a couple of hours, and that's even swapping left/right arms. And with the 12-inch coil it's a chore. Where's the numerical VDI readout? And do you really need the 8 AA cells (and their added weight)?

Garrett, with respect: I love the complete target reporting, but time's up.

Show an updated "target type/size/depth" detector and I'll be in the line for it right away.

Joe
 
Joe I think part of it is pure business. It's more expensive than the AT series. The AT series sells lots of machines and Garrett banks off of that line and why not it's a great machine for the cost. With today's technology there isn't any reason for Garrett not to expound on the 2500. Who knows , maybe they have something in the works ? It would be nice to see a trimmed down version and weight with the same ability.
 
kajunman wrote:

> It would be nice to see a trimmed down version and weight with the same ability.

100 Percent, you nailed it perfectly there.

Can we imagine an AT with imaging?

Let's hope Garrett is listening.
 
Gamma_Joe said:
kajunman wrote:

> It would be nice to see a trimmed down version and weight with the same ability.

100 Percent, you nailed it perfectly there.

Can we imagine an AT with imaging?

Let's hope Garrett is listening.

They listened on the ATP. Hopefully they can do something with the 2500. I would pay more for imaging in a brand new design.
 
I agree with everything you've stated. I loved the GTI 2000 and then the GTI 2500. Owned it 3 times.
However I too wish for improvements on what is already an awesome machine. And unless you are in All Metal mode,
the depth is not that great.
 
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