CTX problem with iron in a stubble field

[pewejo]

On my last dig in the UK I had a lot of problems with my CTX. There was a lot of (big) iron in a stubble field. I received a lot of signals between ID range 12/34 - 12/41. Everytime it appeared to be iron. I used gordons tadpole settings, with auto +3 (but also changed it to auto and manual 20). Deep on, fast recovery off. I started with ferrous-coin (also tried ground-coin) and sounds smooth. After 2 hours with only digging iron and nothing else I tried my other detector the XP Deus. Within 30 minutes I found 4 coins and 5 buttons and some pieces of lead. Any advise would be welcome!

Peter

 

[Buried Crap NJ]

Ok I am really confused now? I never dug anything in the 12-?? that was anything but non ferrous! Not always a coin but never iron?
BCNJ

 

[Gso125]

Almost all my 12-?? Have been old iron nails and pull tabs with a few coins mixed in. I have about 12 hours time on the ctx and still need lots more. I just started using gonehuntings combine settings and go back and forth between coin and it. Lots of digging and lots of nails.

 

[Gso125]

n/t

 

[doc1964]

This has been documented when running ferrous-coin on the CTX (see earthmansurfer's video tests) with 50 conductive sounds. Try running your machine in combined mode with ferrous-coin. You can download several good combined modes in the CTX 3030 classroom, including mine.

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?87,1753679

This way, you'll hear the iron grunting instead of falsing back to you with good numbers - it makes getting through the iron MUCH easier.

HH

 

[MXTerer]

n/t

 

[texasranger]

On my last dig in the UK I had a lot of problems with my CTX. There was a lot of (big) iron in a stubble field. I received a lot of signals between ID range 12/34 - 12/41. Every time it appeared to be iron. I used gordons tadpole settings, with auto +3 (but also changed it to auto and manual 20). Deep on, fast recovery off. I started with ferrous-coin (also tried ground-coin) and sounds smooth. After 2 hours with only digging iron and nothing else I tried my other detector the XP Deus. Within 30 minutes I found 4 coins and 5 buttons and some pieces of lead. Any advise would be welcome!

Peter

Something in the way you've posted your implied problems with the CTX3030, don't convince me that the detector is to blame.

I respectfully suggest that it maybe due to your lack of understandings of the 'borrowed' settings being used etc.

(Your reference to finding other targets with another make of detector has no bearings on matters, and only serves to illustrate that.)

Now let's examine your statements....

I received a lot of signals between ID range 12/34 - 12/41. Every time it appeared to be iron.​

What did the graphics on the CTX3030 show?.....why no comment on that?

Appeared to be iron?????........Why the uncertainty?.......Didn't you conclusively remove all iron?......You did by all accounts.

Now the million dollar question......DID YOU THEN GO ON TO RECOVER THE NON-FERROUS TARGET?

....which can often 'disappear' during the iron recovery phase, and so may require emptying the loose dirt out of the hole, or using a pin-pointer.

Fact;_When you pin-pointed the target area.....THE UNIT WOULD HAVE FIRST LOCATED THE IRON ITEM.

Of course you must dig and remove that initially.....THEN, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN TO RECOVER THE NON-FERROUS ITEM.

I acknowledge that 'deep iron', especially if well decomposed, often only 'reflects' its residual conductive mass, thereby masquerading as a non-ferrous target.

THIS HAPPENS WITH THE DEUS AS WELL, as it can with most other detectors using IB coils........and that's a fact.......Tex

P.S. Any comments on the iron's 'shape' and size/length/thickness would have been helpful and certainly could affect matters in your favour.

 

[pewejo]

On my last dig in the UK I had a lot of problems with my CTX. There was a lot of (big) iron in a stubble field. I received a lot of signals between ID range 12/34 - 12/41. Every time it appeared to be iron. I used gordons tadpole settings, with auto +3 (but also changed it to auto and manual 20). Deep on, fast recovery off. I started with ferrous-coin (also tried ground-coin) and sounds smooth. After 2 hours with only digging iron and nothing else I tried my other detector the XP Deus. Within 30 minutes I found 4 coins and 5 buttons and some pieces of lead. Any advise would be welcome!

Peter

Something in the way you've posted your implied problems with the CTX3030, don't convince me that the detector is to blame.

I respectfully suggest that it maybe due to your lack of understandings of the 'borrowed' settings being used etc.

(Your reference to finding other targets with another make of detector has no bearings on matters, and only serves to illustrate that.)

Now let's examine your statements....

I received a lot of signals between ID range 12/34 - 12/41. Every time it appeared to be iron.​

What did the graphics on the CTX3030 show?.....why no comment on that?

Appeared to be iron?????........Why the uncertainty?.......Didn't you conclusively remove all iron?......You did by all accounts.

Now the million dollar question......DID YOU THEN GO ON TO RECOVER THE NON-FERROUS TARGET?

....which can often 'disappear' during the iron recovery phase, and so may require emptying the loose dirt out of the hole, or using a pin-pointer.

Fact;_When you pin-pointed the target area.....THE UNIT WOULD HAVE FIRST LOCATED THE IRON ITEM.

Of course you must dig and remove that initially.....THEN, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN TO RECOVER THE NON-FERROUS ITEM.

I acknowledge that 'deep iron', especially if well decomposed, often only 'reflects' its residual conductive mass, thereby masquerading as a non-ferrous target.

THIS HAPPENS WITH THE DEUS AS WELL, as it can with most other detectors using IB coils........and that's a fact.......Tex

P.S. Any comments on the iron's 'shape' and size/length/thickness would have been helpful and certainly could affect matters in your favour.

Hi texasranger,

I agree it i could be an operator error. To answer yor questions. It know it was iron, because I doug it everytime. Then I did check the hole if there was another object but there was not a signal anymore. I detected with target trace / target trace pinpoint on. Sometimes I saw a big red area at the 12/x zone. Sometimes I also so some blue in the bottom right. I thought there would be 2 objects, but I only doug the iron and could not find any highly conductive object anymore. The Iron was big, thick (> 1 inch) and rusted. The size was between approx. 3 inch and bigger.

 

[pewejo]

This has been documented when running ferrous-coin on the CTX (see earthmansurfer's video tests) with 50 conductive sounds. Try running your machine in combined mode with ferrous-coin. You can download several good combined modes in the CTX 3030 classroom, including mine.

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?87,1753679

This way, you'll hear the iron grunting instead of falsing back to you with good numbers - it makes getting through the iron MUCH easier.

HH

Doc, I will try your programs and let you know how I get along with it. Thanks for your help.