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Crazyman, on Page 2 you said: "Info on the 6-T as been pretty vague so far."

Monte

Well-known member
crazyman said:
For a detector that is being sold out at such a fast rate there is surprisingly very little info available. How about some operating info or a feature list for some of us to digest. Thanks!
[size=large]Well, I know there are some out there in use, but have no clue who has them in their hand, how much they know about the hobby, or if any of them frequent any particular forum. Therefore, who knows when we're going to hear (read) about some field performance? I will say, however, that I'm trying to have one in hand by this time next week and put some time in with it so as to post about field results. In the meantime, however, perhaps I can answer some of the basic questions about the Prizm 6T based on the little I do know.

The Prizm 6T is powered by 8-AA batteries, and comes with the newer 9" spoked coil (not the 950 open-center type coil). Being a long-time fan of the Classic series, especially the IDX Pro, and most especially when they have had Bill Crabtree's modifications done to them, and also being partial to the M6, I am going to comment on the Prizm 6T features with comments related to the modified Classic IDX Pro & M6 models. Those two are also powered by 8-AA batteries, and they came standard with the 950, open-centered coil.

So, right off the bat, we have to acknowledge that the IDX Pro series and the M6 models have a superior search coil selection because until Carl and the rest of the crew at White's get finished, we're limited to an 8", stock 9" or 950 coil with the 6T. That will, however, soon change.

The IDX Pro has an 8-segment visual Target ID where as the Prizm 6T features a 9-segment TID. The added segment is on the lower-end for large iron as opposed to nails and similar small iron. The IDX Pro and M6 have a variable discriminate control that runs from all-metal accept on up and you can somewhat fine-tune the Discriminate setting. The Prizm 6T has the "smart notch" type discriminate control whereby you either accept or reject any of the TID/Notch 'segments.' On the new 6T, however, compared with the other Prizm models, you can accept any of the segments all the way through the TID/notch range and are not limited to just the lower end.

Like the IDX Pro and M6, the Prizm 6T is silent-search when in the motion Discriminate mode.

The modified IDX Pro has an external 1-turn manual Ground Balance that works great. It really is more of a user-preset control since you only have to adjust it for the worst ground in your area with the coil in use, then seldom have to change it. It's not really necessary to tinker with the manual GB constantly on the IDX Pro. The M6 features the same fast-adjusting Auto-Trac circuitry as the MXT and will automatically Ground Balance with just a few pumps of the coil or sweeps over the ground as you start your search. A savvy operator will learn when and why to 'Lock' the GB setting the circuitry adjusted for. I have done this often with the MXT's and M6 is locations with a very dense scattering or iron nails and other similar iron debris, as well as some rapidly changing ground mineral. I simply find a clear spot, auto-balance the detector, then 'Lock' the GB setting.

With the MXT and M6 when in the Lock' setting the Auto-Trac circuitry is still working but not updating the setting you've locked in. To 'update' you simply stop your sweep, toggle out of Lock and then back into Lock and you've updated the GB setting. You can check to make sure it is still slightly positive or if is its radically different. The new Prizm 6T features an Auto-Trac circuitry that works similar to the M6. It works quickly, and at the press of a touchpad on the display you can lock the GB setting achieved, or unlock it to update the auto-tracked information. On the display you'll see a padlock icon to indicate you've locked the Auto-Trac setting.

The control panel has an up-and-down Sensitivity adjustment touchpad, and the Sensitivity setting is reflected in a scale on the right side of the display. The Discriminate control also has two touchpads encircled, the top one to step through the 9 different discriminate segments, and one to turn the audio response On or Off for that segment.

There is a touchpad for Beach which affects the auto-tracking circuitry and is only used for salt water beaches and highly alkaline soils when they are wet. I've hunted some very challenging old sites around the Great Salt Lake in Utah and you're not going to find a more challenging "wet salts" location, especially after a soaker summer storm passes through. As mentioned there is a toughpad for Track Lock.

That leaves two touchpads to mention, they are P/P - All Metal, and Tone ID. Like on the other Prizm models, you can press-and-hold the P/P touchpad, in the bottom-center of the housing, and that will put you into a momentary All Metal mode to PinPoint a target. When in PinPoint mode you have both a loudness response as you sweep over the located targets as well as a VCO audio to provide a pitch-change that peaks over the target. For many, this aids in pinpointing. If you 'tap' the P/P All Metal touchpad, that puts you into an All Metal search mode. This mode also provides both a loudness change as well as a VCO audio pitch change when searching in All Metal.

What! You don't like VCO audio when you're searching in All Metal? Well, for those who do not like VCO audio in All metal or in the PinPoint mode, all you have to do is be in one of these two operating modes and press the Tone ID touchpad and it will turn Off or On the VCO audio. If you're searching in the Discriminate mode you have 9 notch segments or TID segments, and this provides you with 9 different audio Tones to help ID a target that has been accepted. The lowest audio tone for large iron, and the highest pitch for large silver coins, such as 50
 
Maybe I'm being to picky but I would rather have seen something new maybe on the MXT platform as opposed to the Prizm platform. Same features as the MXT but with the smoother running 6.59 khz. freq. or even a lower freq. and maybe a manual GB over the auto tracking. I also prefer knobs over push-pads. I'm just not excited with what I see by any of the manufacturers right now. I'm just set in my ways and already know what works for me in my ground and the type of hunting I do. Let us know how the 6-T performs after you give it a good workout.
 
Please just tell me its light weight! I find that the more I hunt, the more I appreciate modern electronics shrinking into smaller housings. As I read through your description, I was reminded of my Garrett GTP 1350. They sound very similar - - - - -

The Prizm 6T is powered by 8-AA batteries, and comes with the newer 9" spoked coil (not the 950 open-center type coil). Ditto the Garrett, which has an elliptical spoker.

The IDX Pro has an 8-segment visual Target ID where as the Prizm 6T features a 9-segment TID. Garrett has 24 segments.

The Prizm 6T has the "smart notch" type discriminate control whereby you either accept or reject any of the TID/Notch 'segments.' On the new 6T, you can accept any of the segments all the way through the TID/notch range and are not limited to just the lower end. Garrett, too.

Prizm 6T is silent-search when in the motion Discriminate mode. Your choice on the Garrett. I prefer a threshold option.

The new Prizm 6T features an Auto-Trac circuitry.... Garrett, too.

The control panel has an up-and-down Sensitivity adjustment touchpad, and the Sensitivity setting is reflected in a scale on the right side of the display.

The Discriminate control also has two touchpads encircled, the top one to step through the 9 different discriminate segments, and one to turn the audio response On or Off for that segment. Garrett here, as well, on both counts.

There is a touchpad for Beach which affects the auto-tracking circuitry and is only used for salt water beaches and highly alkaline soils when they are wet. Garrett calls it a SALT mode.

Like on the other Prizm models, you can press-and-hold the P/P touchpad, in the bottom-center of the housing, and that will put you into a momentary All Metal mode to PinPoint a target. If you 'tap' the P/P All Metal touchpad, that puts you into an All Metal search mode. This mode also provides both a loudness change as well as a VCO audio pitch change when searching in All Metal. The 1350 has NO true non-motion all metal mode - it's one flaw, IMHO. Score one for the Whites.

In the Discriminate mode you have 9 notch segments or TID segments, with 9 different audio Tones to help ID a target that has been accepted. The lowest audio tone for large iron, and the highest pitch for large silver coins, such as 50
 
Wow, sounds like Whites if finally getting with the program. You just about described my X-terra 70 to a tee. The only thing this Prizm 6-T has that my ML doesn't is a backlight. But, I will be keeping a real keen eye peeled for reports on this machine. It just may be my future replacement for my MXT.
 
I like depth and accurate ID of the targets at the 6 inch + level. anything else is just a gimmick. If this detector doesn't perform better at this than its predecessors than it belongs in the garbage can with the DFX.
 
thebeatmachine said:
I like depth and accurate ID of the targets at the 6 inch + level. anything else is just a gimmick. If this detector doesn't perform better at this than its predecessors than it belongs in the garbage can with the DFX.
Okay, now here's an interesting viewpoint! Something a little different that the usual, "I LOVE WHITES" input. Accurate ID at 6+ inches is pushing it, so I'm very intertested to know what detector(s) do you favor? Please tell us.... well, me anyway :)
 
MONTY, GOOD POST. I ASSUME THE OPERATING FREQUENCY IS BETWEEN 7 & 8,AND THE WEIGHT IS AROUND 3 LBS. AM I RIGHT?
 
dahut said:
The new Prizm 6T features an Auto-Trac circuitry.... Garrett, too.
[size=large]David, I've owned 2 GTAx1250's, 2 GTP-1350's, and played with the GTI-1500.

If they have a true auto-tracking circuitry, then they have a very limited range of function, and don't do anything in the all metal PinPoint mode. They are terrible in our NW Oregon ground.

On the Prizm 6T, like the other Prizm models, as I have mentioned, I thing White's really messed up on the headphone jack placement. Other than that, I think the 6T will end up being VERY competitive with anything fro Garrett or Tesoro, many from Minelab, and even some of White's own models as well as some other competitors. :)

As I said, I intend to have one soon and put it through the paces. I know from my initial goofing around with it I didn't see anything about Garrett that I found favorable over it ...., aside from the headphone jack location.

I also like the idea of being able to quickly turn ON or OFF the Tone ID as well as the VCO Audio in All Metal or PinPoint mode.

It will be interesting to see how they 'set' when more users start to get them out in the field.

Monte[/size]
 
Got me beat that, people bagging the guts out of things they have not even used yet.
Thanks for all the info/heads up on the 6T Monty. We are hanging out bad over here in Australia to get our hands on one.
Dont knock what you you dont know.
 
Well, aside from the fact that I have used a Garrett 1350 extensively, I can say little more. IS it the greatest thing since sliced bread? No, of course not. Perhaps our ground here is good, maybe I've just been lucky... I dunno. But I have been surprised at how well those 1350's work.

I wasn't trying to knock the T6 - or whatever its to be called. Nor was I questioning your expertise. I just found the similarities to be more than the differences.

The T6 DOES have a few features I personally like - VCO, and VDI numerals. From the limited time I've spent with my new/old Eagle II SL, I could be convinced to get one of the new White's.
 
I love White's I Use only white's detectors. I use a modified IDX with a Hot Shot coil. It will ID over 6". If my cheap piece of #&*% can do this why not the new prism. I had a DFX with the stock coil and didn't keep it. Too much equity and too little performance. I had an XLT that I liked but that went too because it was chattery. Accurate ID at 6+ inches ought to be the standard in moderate soil. Think of all the things one can do with a cell phone or a gps. I have a GPS that can detect if I raise it up a meter in the air, and that's using satelites. All these manufacturers know how to build detectors that can ID more than 6" they just don't make them because of the fluoride in the water and in toothpaste.

I liked the build quality of all these detectors.
 
IDX w/ Hot shot coil, eh? Okay, thanks. I'm with you on accurate ID, although I cannot begin to know all the variables encountered in the real world.

Flouride in the water? You lost me there, but that's okay, too. Thanks for the opinions on the DFX and XLT.
 
[size=large]that in our NW Oregon dirt (not wood chips) most Garrett's are rather "challenged" and I've not been able to see any appreciable 'auto-tracking' that handles both modes. Matter of fact, I've found more cases of differences when changing coils. For example, I had a GTAx-1250 and GTP-1350 I was working with and they did reasonably 'OK' with stock coils. But when I switched to a smaller coil or another that they didn't come with (calibrated to, perhaps ??) , they were definitely out-of-balance (too negative) in the Disc. mode. Regardless of if they are brand new or not, and which coil they come with, they all reflect a negative GB in our typical dirt in the PinPoint mode.

I like the approach Garrett took for their arm-cup, for example, because I can go from summer shirtsleeves to a fall sweater or a winter coat and I still 'fit'. The sides are tall and the arm doesn't flop out, like on many/most Tesoro models. Garrett has long promoted their GTA models that feature the various numbers of discriminating notch segments and several manufacturers have followed that concept. Like the Garrett models, the new White's 6T also features total control right at the press of a touchpad, and they've done it without having to scroll through a menu like on Garrett's mid-to-upper end models

No, I really wasn't trying to argue with you and I apologize if it came across that way. You're quite correct that there are many easy-to-use controls that are similar between them and, in the long run, I think White's is going to capture a number of now, soon-to-be former, Garrett users with this new model release.

I bought the GTAx-1250 after having used a Garrett when I was on the trip in Texas and it did well, but then that Texas dirt was a joy to hunt in. Like you, I am pleased they decided to enhance the TID provided by the 9 segments with a good-sized VDI read-out, and I like being able to turn the VCO audio On and Off. It will be interesting to read reports from end users as some of these get out into he real world.

Best of success with your new/old Eagle.

Monte[/size]
 
This is a forum for discussing or sharing information including "likes and dislikes" for Whites metal detectors. Lets get down to the brass nuts here. Nobody has said it's a bad detector. It's been more of a discussion on the "likes and dislikes" of the new 6-T's features and not about performance so far. I don't need to use a detector first to make a decision if I like it or not if it doesn't have the features that I need or want. I'm sure it will be a great coin and jewelry shooter for parks and school yards and will meet the needs of many detectorists that need or want notching, tone ID, ground tracking, VDI's or those that prefer touch pads over knobs. I don't need or use those features so I see no need to pay for a new detector that has them. As far as performance, well that's still up in the air as there have been no reports yet from people that have used it in the field. I'm sure we will see "likes and dislikes" on that topic as well in the near future.
 
there's something in the water!

(h.h!)
j.t.
 
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