Couple of videos I did showing the recovery and separation of the 3030

[Keith Southern]

I am using 2 tone ferrous with the tone break moved to 32Fe..high trash on...fast ON...Low tone stock iron tone.... high tone 1000 Hz...

the tone break manipulation has brought the FBS platform to be able to compete with world class unmasker's...

so far the machine is proving to see what the best machines in iron can see!

heres a test I perform on my deck of all my machines few can see the dime or nickle od edge on the nails... the CTX now joins the rank's...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEDSEV22y5A

Heres Monte's Nail board test....

again world class performance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaRjMW4Zawk

I have alway's loved FBS for my dirt..but was always let down by the lack of unmasking ability in iron compared to others...with the tone break able to be moved now I have actually found what i have needed for my dirt and iron hunting need's...

Keith

 

[AngelicStorm]

Nice tests. Let us know how that 6" coil works out for you in the field.

 

[tmanly]

Thanks for posting Keith. I know it takes a lot of effort to make and post these videos.

Tom in SC

 

[GateKeeper]

Nice test Keith. I and I'm sure other's would like to see a video in real world searching conditions. See what you could do for us. Thanks in advance.

 

[Jim Robertson]

Thanks Keith great test. I do like the machine.

 

[JamesM]

Thanks Keith...I just tried those settings with a dime, three rusty nails, and a rusty staple laying on the dime. Combined/Ferrous-Coin, barely gives a one way, that I would never dig, and couldn't isolate the target, but with your settings, that dime is loud and clear from several directions. As you said, the TID is skewed because of the nails, but this can sure tell you where to dig on those "iffy" targets.

 

[GKMan]

interesting keith, do you recall what you found if you tried fast off

 

[jtram]

Keith when this set up is used and you compare it to world class unmaskers what machines are you making that comparison to? Gold Bug, G2 Deeptech or others. The reason for the question is I have a G2 that I haven't used much since I purchased the CTX. I only get a limited amount of time to detect and want to make the most of it. I like the G2 but the high tone in big iron drives me nuts.

 

[Keith Southern]

Jtram...

I compare it to the G2 DEUS GMP DTVG....

Now this is just for this particular test...

But at the same time ..for the first time a FBS machine is able to compete on a more serious level .the ability o break the tone has created this...

will unmask as well as those listed in the densest of nails and small iron...I am sure there is a breaking point.....yet at he same time...look at what this machine accomplishes and also has the lead in other areas like precise accurate I.D. better depth in soil...smoother running less fasling on iron...etc...wtaer ability ...salt abiltiy...

it may not unmask that last little bit in iron or it may with yet discovered techniques...But it's way ahead of the other FBS machine's at this point and right on the heels of the Euro's..

I wish in ferrous you could split the screen up and down also...

theres some small non ferrous targets going to fall in the bottom left on the iron level line...if you could split it to high tone on the left and low tone on the right it would be almost perfect....

I like to leave the audio gate open for ultimate unmasking,,,,,, patterns will null and even though the null is faster than it used to be it's still able to mask in the super tight nail rich area's..

2 tone combined....and have the abilty to just low tone that bottom left corner for nails...let the whole rest of the screen high tone...I bet it could be tone with a software tweak...

Keith

 

[parkgt]

Thanks Keith...I just tried those settings with a dime, three rusty nails, and a rusty staple laying on the dime. Combined/Ferrous-Coin, barely gives a one way, that I would never dig, and couldn't isolate the target, but with your settings, that dime is loud and clear from several directions. As you said, the TID is skewed because of the nails, but this can sure tell you where to dig on those "iffy" targets.

If Combined had all other settings the same, the difference between having four tones above the line as opposed to only one should make no difference.

Set them up the same, except set all four tones above the line in Combined to the same tone as the single tone above the line in the Two tone. There should be no difference, how could there be? IMO both detection and alert would be the same.

Digger explained this in another post:

"Both TTF and Combined divide the targets into two groups. You determine at what FE value these two groups are divided by where you set your Ferrous line. TTF assigns one tone for the target's whose Ferrous number falls below where you set your Ferrous line, and one tone for the targets whose Ferrous number goes above the Ferrous line. Combined does the same thing. However, instead of having just one tone for the targets whose values are above the Ferrous line, it breaks those targets into four groups and gives you one of four tones, depending on the CO value of each target."

 

[JamesM]

Thanks Keith...I just tried those settings with a dime, three rusty nails, and a rusty staple laying on the dime. Combined/Ferrous-Coin, barely gives a one way, that I would never dig, and couldn't isolate the target, but with your settings, that dime is loud and clear from several directions. As you said, the TID is skewed because of the nails, but this can sure tell you where to dig on those "iffy" targets.

If Combined had all other settings the same, the difference between having four tones above the line as opposed to only one should make no difference.

Set them up the same, except set all four tones above the line in Combined to the same tone as the single tone above the line in the Two tone. There should be no difference, how could there be? IMO both detection and alert would be the same.

Digger explained this in another post:

"Both TTF and Combined divide the targets into two groups. You determine at what FE value these two groups are divided by where you set your Ferrous line. TTF assigns one tone for the target's whose Ferrous number falls below where you set your Ferrous line, and one tone for the targets whose Ferrous number goes above the Ferrous line. Combined does the same thing. However, instead of having just one tone for the targets whose values are above the Ferrous line, it breaks those targets into four groups and gives you one of four tones, depending on the CO value of each target."

Yeah, I agree...I'm gonna try that again...The difference that I was getting, may be due to the fact that my combined mode uses ferrous coin with both fast and deep off. In TTF I was using high trash with fast on. I don't know which of the different settings was making the difference, but I agree if TTF and Combined are set the same, then the results should be the same.

 

[silverchef]

Keith-this is AWESOME info. I have a yard that is really littered with nails. House built in 1880. never found anything except 1 old Barber dime. Gotta be more there. Can't wait to try this! Thanks a million

 

[Keith Southern]

What the bottom Ferrous need's is the ability to split in half the tone left to right while in combined mode...

yes you cans et the top tones all as one in each block...but the ferrous if it could be split vertical inside the horizontal line would be very well recieved for certian hunter's...

Relic Hunting that is...Where all you need to know if if its a nail or not....

 

[Frozenredneck]

Wanted to thank you. I used these setting today hunting the same area I hunted using GoneHunting settings seemed to clear things up and found 7 more wheats a Buffalo nickel a 5 cent token for a German AB a coin I have soaking in water has a square hole in the middle can't identify yet. So needless to say your settings really helped clean up the iron trash.

 

[parkgt]

I can see these settings and TTF being of interest to someone that wants to dig everything but some iron/nails. If one was in an old site with no modern trash it would be fine; but IMO there is no advantage over Combined where the 4 upper bins can be configured to provide a little more info on the alerts above the line. There is no detection advantage inherent in the use of TTF.

Why wouldn't one want a clue where it was on the Conductive scale? Are five tones that hard to deal with?

 

[Keith Southern]

too each His own...

but I dont need alot of tones to dig non ferrous out of ferrous... and its less audibly fatiguing....I like to have two tones and have them as far apart as possible... Light hitting medium tones can blend to easily in a nail bed...jsut my take ...

Keith

 

[Digger]

If there was a way to allow four bins of audio separation, two ferrous and two conductive, you could program each of the bins with a different tone. Or, if you only wanted to hear two different tones, such as you described, you could program CO bin 1 and 2 with the same "high tone" as FE bin 1. Then program FE bin 2 with the low tone. Hmmmmm! Now you got me thinking! HH Randy

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[Dr.Deus]

I agree with this as well. Whenever I'm hunting in a bed of iron i find it difficult enough to just get a positive target tone let alone an actual good ID to go with it. So why not eliminate the extra tones and then this way you'll know for sure when you get a positive tone hit because its either high tone or low tone. In this type of environment i think the dig it all mentality should play a big factor. Not alot of pull tabs or cans or foil. I was surprised many times by just digging the "Positive high tones" regardless of the numbers.HH

too each His own...

but I dont need alot of tones to dig non ferrous out of ferrous... and its less audibly fatiguing....I like to have two tones and have them as far apart as possible... Light hitting medium tones can blend to easily in a nail bed...jsut my take ...

Keith

 

[MikeO]

Very good video showing off the CTX's ability to separate.
Hats off to you all taking the time to make these videos. I do not have one yet but, once I do I should be well versed on it thanks to all the information here.