couple of questions about noise cancel and pinpoint

[grumpy]

Hi Folks
I got a couple of questions about the Ex II I have been running it about 3 weeks and cant find the answers any where. First can you pinpoint as long as desired without any damage to the detector? And on the noise cancel Sandy and the book said do it every time before starting and hold it on the ground and push the noise button and it takes 30 seconds, well do you push and release the button and wait 30 seconds or do you push and hold the button for 30 seconds?? O one other thing is the Exp II always shy about coins right on top of the ground and what do you do about that, I missed two and the wife seen them and I thought I was going to have to beat her just to get her to shut up about the missed coins. Well they were right under my nose but not a sound??
Thanks for the Help
Grumpy

 

[PULLTABBY]

These would probably work on the EXII but I'm only familiar with the XS...here goes...
Noise cancel works both on the ground and in the air(it's your preference).
Push the noise cancel button and it will cycle through the frequencies finding the clearest one to detect that area with.I would not hold it for 30 seconds.
I have left mine in pin point along time and doesn't seem to do any thing to it....
Coins on top of the ground would depend on what settings you are running. Also the EX likes the ground so don't have any air between the coil and the ground(scrub the ground with it)....
Hope some of this helps and makes sense.
Any one else wish to chime in ???
HH

 

[grumpy]

So when you release the noise button your ready to go back to detecting you dont need to push and release then wait 30 seconds while it does its thing it does it while you have the button pushed correct?
I have been running the coil real close or touching the ground with the detector set in beginner mode with the grid screen except we have blocked out crown, bottle caps, and nails and left in pulltabs, foil, coins. a basic beginner mode I think. Seems to work well and find deep enough stuff just not to good at coins laying on top of the ground. If they have a little dirt over them they seem to be good but right on top where you can see them the detector seems not to.?/?
Thanks for the help
Grumpy

 

[Rick(ND)]

Find a spot where there is no metal, I hold mine about 4 inches over the ground. Push the noise cancel button once and release it, hold coil still so it don't see anything and you will hear 11 steps of signals about 3 seconds apart then it will beep that is different to let you know it has went thought them all, now you are ready to detect.
If you are new to the Explorer run the factory presets for the first 40 hours or so and get to know the detector. now go slow and listen to all the signals and those close to the top of the ground may beep twice as you may pick them up twice when the coil goes over them.

Rick

 

[Dan-Pa.]

Turn your unit on as to hunt press the noise cancel and it will go thru various cyles and then stop and your ready to go. 30 seconds is just an approximate and if it the cycle continues might try a new spot as a large piece of junk may be interferring with a proper cycle of the unit. I checked with Minelab U.S.A. and they stated keep the coil on ground but have had heard of individual detectorists using various heights. Hit the button and leave go do not hold down.
Don't fully understand your pinpoint question but sometimes shallow targets are better pinpointed by raising the coil a few inches as I guess its the nature of the beast to have shallow targets pinpoint and by raising coil you are simulating some depth. I do realize the Explorer hates air and actually drag my coil over the ground while hunting, but pinpointing a shallow target is a different situation..

 

[grumpy]

Thanks Rick.
I was not sure about the hold in the button or push and release and it was not in anything I could find. Thanks.
I plan to hunt a while in the basic, like learning my last machine I found it is better than start at the bottom and learn your way up than as someone stated starting at the top and going sideways.
Thanks
Grumpy

 

[grumpy]

Dan
Thanks for replying Ill try and confuse myself a bit more for you. Was wondering if you kept the machine in pinpoint on to long would it hurt it?? I think most agree no but was not sure.
As for coins on the top of the ground this is in just search mode not pinpoint, I go over (with the coil very low and slow) and some coins laying on the top new drops Im sure, they dont sound off.
My wife walks with me and pinpoints when we dig coins so she is very very observant since we started this about 3 yr. ago and she spots these Im to busy listening and watching the screen. Well this is not good as Im SUPPOSED to find these and she lets me know this. This is what I was wondering if coins on the top to close to the coil are a problem with this particular detector or if Im doing something wrong. I have noticed a beep going over shallow targets with each side of the coil as well as the center bar and Ralph at sunray said this was normal and all DD coils do that, I just never noticed it with the other detector.
Thanks Much
Grumpy

 

[Dan-Pa.]

Go to Minelab U.S.A. and present your questions sort of getting it from the horses mouth...Personally I use the pinpoint mode as little as possible and usually pinpoint in Disc. mode as the pinpoint mode is all metal and your pinpoint can be affected by a piece of junk near the good target. Wouldn't advise this for everyone but have been detecting for years and usually double check my pinpoint with the pinpoint mode before I dig...Why anyone would want to keep in pinpoint mode for extended periods confuses me, but honestly don't feel it would cause any harm. As far as missing the coins on top may have something to do with the Minelab technology where the signal mixes with the ground. Never had this problem in Disc. mode but indeed pinpointing can be a problem using the stock 10.5 double D coil on coins on top and usually raise the coil to pinpoint better...
Last but not least the secret of an Explorer is the tones and never even look at the meter unless I get a tone relative what I am looking for..Actually some rainy day go out to your porch or patio and run a dime, quarter and nickle over and over until these 3 tones are imbedded in your brain and you will have a good start at becoming proficient with an Explorer and its tones..Might also want to see where these coins come up on the screen..Doing both will certainly improve the amount of coins in your pouch..Minelab U.S.A. is extremely helpful so don't be afraid to ask questions as I am sure their technical knowledge will be a big help...

 

[Steve(MS)]

it won't hurt it to keep it in pinpoint for a long time but you do not want to do that, pinpoint mode on the Exp it only useful to use for pinpointing, it has a shrink feature on it, the closer you move it to a metal object, it then becomes less sensitive if that makes sense so don't use it unless you are pinpointing, do not use pinpoint mode to detect. As far as not getting coins on top of the ground, I have never had that to happen except once and it was because there was a large, flat piece of metal a little ways under the ground. There is something that is going on if you cannot get a coin signal on top of the ground, have you tried placing coins on top of the ground and seeing if you can get a signal? How much disc are you using? Give us your settings and perhaps we can be helpful.

 

[grumpy]

I better confuse myself a little more here. I thank you for the answers they are all very helpful. The time in pinpoint mode I was wondering about because of using a SunRay probe I was wondering if you could use it to long since you just turn it on and it stays on till you turn it off while you dig and probe with the probe. On the 2500 I have been using for the past 3 years you push the button and when you let go it goes out of pinpoint which is a pain to have to hold the button in but I was wondering on the Exp II because of that. Didnt want to burn something up.
Thanks
Grumpy

 

[WVAdirtdigger]

I have the Sunray probe and do what you're talking about all the time. I find that the probe is really helpful in the pinpoint mode for locating the target in the hole. I have left it on for a few minutes while I'm still digging.

No worries,
Dave