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Sort of in the same boat as you are...perhaps a garage or back porch may offer less interference.
No two ways around it Andy writes a good book and is a excellent guideline, however airtesting in
a laboratory enviroment is a good idea, however an old test garden would give better results.Remember only expectball park positions on the screen as in the field many situations will
have the targets come in a little bit different.
For the above reason don't like the idea of taping
a guide to the screen. I may be a newbie to the
Explorer but an oldbie to the hobby and plan to hunt in the preset mode, turning up the sensitivity and adjusting the threshold to my liking, but indeed use a threshold until you get the feel of it. After your extensive reading believe me your time in the field will bring the most results. Again let Andy's book be a guide, but do remember can read 10 books on riding a bicycle or whatever, but until you actually do you will never get the feeling..Getting a 12 inch silver dime on my fifth trip out in a prestart mode, I wonder what the capabilities of this machine really are...
No two ways around it Andy writes a good book and is a excellent guideline, however airtesting in
a laboratory enviroment is a good idea, however an old test garden would give better results.Remember only expectball park positions on the screen as in the field many situations will
have the targets come in a little bit different.
For the above reason don't like the idea of taping
a guide to the screen. I may be a newbie to the
Explorer but an oldbie to the hobby and plan to hunt in the preset mode, turning up the sensitivity and adjusting the threshold to my liking, but indeed use a threshold until you get the feel of it. After your extensive reading believe me your time in the field will bring the most results. Again let Andy's book be a guide, but do remember can read 10 books on riding a bicycle or whatever, but until you actually do you will never get the feeling..Getting a 12 inch silver dime on my fifth trip out in a prestart mode, I wonder what the capabilities of this machine really are...
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Trying to air test mine in the house,I get the right tone,but the cursor jumps around all over the screen.Never tried it much though,I just take it outside.I hunt about all winter,unless the ground is froze rock solid,so that doesn't bother me.
But with that being said,you still can not go by that only.Sure,everything will hit the same place when the conditions are right.But when the soil is highly mineralized,or there is alot of garbage around,they will not lock up the same place,sometimes they will not lock at all.The coins that read exactly like they air test(except when you air test with garbage,coin with a pulltab,coin with a nail,etc.)are few and far between at hunted out sites,At least around here.Most coins comes from heavy trash or just so deep that the others missed it.
The best thing to do,IMO,is to find someone with Explorer experience in your area to hunt with and have them let you check some of there coin signals when they get the iffies.At first a coin with junk sounds the same as just junk,but there will come a time you will be able to pick the good iffies from the bad iffies.You just need to dig everything for a while till you get it down.Not really many ways around that.But it will not always be like that.I only dig 1-2 nails if I go out all day.Now copper wire and brass junk,is a different story.
If I am sweeping and get say a mid tone,or a null,with a high little cutoff blip thrown in with it.I will make short little back and forth swings trying to see if I can isolate the high blip from the other signal.If I can somewhat,I will then completely circle the area with the short little strokes trying to keep the decent sounding target under the coil.If you turn your body and the decent tone in there appears to move to a different spot,that is when it is more than likely a nail.But if I can keep the target isolated in a very small circle and get it to repeat from more than one direction,that is the iffies I will dig.Sometimes you have trash so close that it is hard to get the target you want to go after to pinpoint.When that happens I will come in at it from different directions to get a pinpoint.My X pinpoint might be a v or just a 20 degree angle or 90 degree,but not an X.It is really hard for me to explain it.Where the pinpoint is on the trash signal,I will go in with the center strip of the coil at a direction that the center strip stays as far away from that target as possible.
But with that being said,you still can not go by that only.Sure,everything will hit the same place when the conditions are right.But when the soil is highly mineralized,or there is alot of garbage around,they will not lock up the same place,sometimes they will not lock at all.The coins that read exactly like they air test(except when you air test with garbage,coin with a pulltab,coin with a nail,etc.)are few and far between at hunted out sites,At least around here.Most coins comes from heavy trash or just so deep that the others missed it.
The best thing to do,IMO,is to find someone with Explorer experience in your area to hunt with and have them let you check some of there coin signals when they get the iffies.At first a coin with junk sounds the same as just junk,but there will come a time you will be able to pick the good iffies from the bad iffies.You just need to dig everything for a while till you get it down.Not really many ways around that.But it will not always be like that.I only dig 1-2 nails if I go out all day.Now copper wire and brass junk,is a different story.
If I am sweeping and get say a mid tone,or a null,with a high little cutoff blip thrown in with it.I will make short little back and forth swings trying to see if I can isolate the high blip from the other signal.If I can somewhat,I will then completely circle the area with the short little strokes trying to keep the decent sounding target under the coil.If you turn your body and the decent tone in there appears to move to a different spot,that is when it is more than likely a nail.But if I can keep the target isolated in a very small circle and get it to repeat from more than one direction,that is the iffies I will dig.Sometimes you have trash so close that it is hard to get the target you want to go after to pinpoint.When that happens I will come in at it from different directions to get a pinpoint.My X pinpoint might be a v or just a 20 degree angle or 90 degree,but not an X.It is really hard for me to explain it.Where the pinpoint is on the trash signal,I will go in with the center strip of the coil at a direction that the center strip stays as far away from that target as possible.
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I dont think a frequenyt poster in this forum is a minelab dealer, except maybe Rick ND.. I have no connection with any MD companys in the least except for using their products, and have absolutely nothing to gain.. if anything I could be hurting myself, as many users in my area are using Explorers, or plan on getting one now based on what they see found <IMG SRC="/forums/images/smile.gif" BORDER=0 ALT="
"> Ass for the books and air tests.. I guess its OK to read them and do them.. I didnt get any books, and after a few swings over some targets in the back yard to see how they sounded just went out and hunted.. I suggest if you do anty air testing at all its done outside and with the coin on or in the ground and swinging the detector.. coins dont wave in front of your coil when your hunting.. your waving the coil over the coins <IMG SRC="/forums/images/smile.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=""> As for turn on and go.. I really think the explorer is if you want it to be.. turn it on on.. set you r sens and threshold and start hunting.. you might not get teh top performance from it oin basic mode but is gonna be darn close if you get the sens into manual and up it at least..no different than turning a few knobs on the most basic detector.. I suppose if your not used to tone ID than it could be complicated.. but heck at least its telling you somnething right away.. those basic machines bbep the same on a piece of foil as they do on a coin.. even if you just went out and dug the solid highest tones you will wont dig much trash, but if you just dug all with a cheaper machine..
"> Ass for the books and air tests.. I guess its OK to read them and do them.. I didnt get any books, and after a few swings over some targets in the back yard to see how they sounded just went out and hunted.. I suggest if you do anty air testing at all its done outside and with the coin on or in the ground and swinging the detector.. coins dont wave in front of your coil when your hunting.. your waving the coil over the coins <IMG SRC="/forums/images/smile.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=""> As for turn on and go.. I really think the explorer is if you want it to be.. turn it on on.. set you r sens and threshold and start hunting.. you might not get teh top performance from it oin basic mode but is gonna be darn close if you get the sens into manual and up it at least..no different than turning a few knobs on the most basic detector.. I suppose if your not used to tone ID than it could be complicated.. but heck at least its telling you somnething right away.. those basic machines bbep the same on a piece of foil as they do on a coin.. even if you just went out and dug the solid highest tones you will wont dig much trash, but if you just dug all with a cheaper machine..
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had to trade for mine well used or I wouldn't have it.And I really am not brand loyal.I have said this before,I am ME loyal.I want what is best for me.I have a Whites 6000 D.I. and a CZ-5 right now also,both are great detectors,they really are.But the Explorer works out the best for me.
I am never satisfied with anything,give me a Sako High powered Rifle and I will want an Anshultz and vice versa.I have always been that way with everything.But the Explorer is the first thing I have ever been totally satisfied with.That says alot to me.The X-1 probe was really the final nail in the coffin though.I would not use another detector without one now.They are the best advancement in detectors,IMO.Or at the very least the icing on the cake.
I have no doubt in my mind that you could pull out one of your old detectors and whoop the pants off of the majority of Explorer users that has little experience with it,just because you know it so well.But when you get hours in with the Explorer and have confidence in it,I am sure it will amaze you.
I am never satisfied with anything,give me a Sako High powered Rifle and I will want an Anshultz and vice versa.I have always been that way with everything.But the Explorer is the first thing I have ever been totally satisfied with.That says alot to me.The X-1 probe was really the final nail in the coffin though.I would not use another detector without one now.They are the best advancement in detectors,IMO.Or at the very least the icing on the cake.
I have no doubt in my mind that you could pull out one of your old detectors and whoop the pants off of the majority of Explorer users that has little experience with it,just because you know it so well.But when you get hours in with the Explorer and have confidence in it,I am sure it will amaze you.
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[In your opinion, will the sounds that the various practice targets make at this Sensitivity setting not be indicative of what would be experienced from similar targets in the field?]
Sensitivity, even when it is run down to a small value, should not have too much influence on where the cursors appear assuming that you get a solid sweep of the target.
Now, running the sensitivity UP can have a considerable effect, because the XS becomes less stable as the sensitivity is increased.
Whenever I have tried to use the LEARN mode to learn targets, I have also found that it is much easier to do so with a very low sensitivity. Personally, I set it to 1 and get busy.
Finally, you can also account for some drift by using the medium cursor instead of the small one. This gives you a larger range for response.
One thing you might want to think about... The Explorer constantly does some averaging. Say you have a coin and directly under it is a piece of iron. You might end up with a response that it is near the top of the screen, but somewhere in the middle of the screen.
Tim
Sensitivity, even when it is run down to a small value, should not have too much influence on where the cursors appear assuming that you get a solid sweep of the target.
Now, running the sensitivity UP can have a considerable effect, because the XS becomes less stable as the sensitivity is increased.
Whenever I have tried to use the LEARN mode to learn targets, I have also found that it is much easier to do so with a very low sensitivity. Personally, I set it to 1 and get busy.
Finally, you can also account for some drift by using the medium cursor instead of the small one. This gives you a larger range for response.
One thing you might want to think about... The Explorer constantly does some averaging. Say you have a coin and directly under it is a piece of iron. You might end up with a response that it is near the top of the screen, but somewhere in the middle of the screen.
Tim
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To answer your first question, you are getting "advanced" Explorer techniques on this forum, not the beginner to intermediate techniques in the manual and book. You need to decide if you want to start off as a beginner/intermediate and progress to advanced or jump right into advanced techniques from the get go so you can find the nice old coins.
I dug over 1,000 clad coins before I started learning about the more advanced techniques. I followed the manual and book to the letter also, except for a few shallow silvers it was all clad and trash. So decide what it is you want to do.
To answer your second question, no. I'm not a dealer and I have no links to any manufacturer. By day I'm an IT Manager for a large financial services firm.
I dug over 1,000 clad coins before I started learning about the more advanced techniques. I followed the manual and book to the letter also, except for a few shallow silvers it was all clad and trash. So decide what it is you want to do.
To answer your second question, no. I'm not a dealer and I have no links to any manufacturer. By day I'm an IT Manager for a large financial services firm.
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This is where alot of silver dimes I find hit in iron rich soil and near nails.This is why I do not use patterns(well,the factory coin pattern,I use the one shown once in a while in heavy trash)They will still sound good when they hit here.
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Well first off I 'm not a dealer either.
As far as air testing , Minelabs own prescribed method ( which I read here about a year ago ) is.......
Sensitivity at 1 ( one )
DON'T move the coin or object ACROSS the coil , but move it TOWARDS and AWAY from the CENTER of the coil.
This way you don't pick up supurious AUDIO target ID "noise" due to LAG time from the processor.
As far as air testing , Minelabs own prescribed method ( which I read here about a year ago ) is.......
Sensitivity at 1 ( one )
DON'T move the coin or object ACROSS the coil , but move it TOWARDS and AWAY from the CENTER of the coil.
This way you don't pick up supurious AUDIO target ID "noise" due to LAG time from the processor.
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Ric, Is that nails and crowncaps? Tks wmike
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Some feel I am a dealer the way I change detectors, actually am a retired Pa. Statepoliceman for the last ten years and also a addicted detectorist. To start out in anything but the quickstart is insanity for a newbie user.
Don't expect the bullseye to be right on target everytime as too many outside interferences. Perhaps I have an advantage as I have used just about all of them. Start slow implement changes
one at a time. The few times I have been out with the Explorer know things will fall into place and
learn a little more each day. Doing great in the quickstart mode so one wonders just how good this unit is once I have become proficient with its operation.
Don't expect the bullseye to be right on target everytime as too many outside interferences. Perhaps I have an advantage as I have used just about all of them. Start slow implement changes
one at a time. The few times I have been out with the Explorer know things will fall into place and
learn a little more each day. Doing great in the quickstart mode so one wonders just how good this unit is once I have become proficient with its operation.
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I picked that up from the English users last year.They use it alot because they have so much history,they want to dig it all.Plus I think that those thin hammered coins hit all over the place.Actually,I think they do not check off crowncaps,just nails.
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I am not a dealer. In fact I am a Maintenance Supervisor For a National School Busing contractor. 116 units in my fleet. I am starting my 21st yr as a Detectorist. <IMG SRC="/forums/images/smile.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=""> I thought I had the top of the line machines when I went head to head with the explorer in the field. I was sadly mistaken and after being humiliated <IMG SRC="/forums/images/frown.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=""> When my cz5 w/10.5 coil and hot set up, and my Brand new GTI 1500 w/9.5 coils couldn't even get a hit on an easy find for the exp. I was convinced I was not on the cutting edge. I purchased the exp. xs and until I had at least 50 hrs on it in the field I just knew I had made a mistake. To make a long story short, after I had the hours on it and heard my first deep silver coin, then is when it all started to come together for me. I am now looking for a back up exp.xs just in case something happens to my main unit. I will not hunt with anything else. <IMG SRC="/forums/images/smile.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=""> Even tho I still have 6 top line units hanging on the wall.
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"> I thought I had the top of the line machines when I went head to head with the explorer in the field. I was sadly mistaken and after being humiliated <IMG SRC="/forums/images/frown.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=""> When my cz5 w/10.5 coil and hot set up, and my Brand new GTI 1500 w/9.5 coils couldn't even get a hit on an easy find for the exp. I was convinced I was not on the cutting edge. I purchased the exp. xs and until I had at least 50 hrs on it in the field I just knew I had made a mistake. To make a long story short, after I had the hours on it and heard my first deep silver coin, then is when it all started to come together for me. I am now looking for a back up exp.xs just in case something happens to my main unit. I will not hunt with anything else. <IMG SRC="/forums/images/smile.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=""> Even tho I still have 6 top line units hanging on the wall.HH BiLL IL <IMG SRC="/forums/images/ml.gif" BORDER=0 ALT="m~">