Confused!!!!

[scubadetector]

I have owned a Fisher CZ-20 for around 6 years with a 10" coil. As most everyone knows, it recenty was upgraded to a CZ-21. I have done quite well with it if you read my signature.

I am trying to get my wife to try detecting and I didn't want her to use my other CZ-21 when it comes back from 1st Texas because it also has a 10" coil and she is quite small.

A friend found me another CZ-20 with an 8" coil for 350.00. I snatched it up!! It came in the mail yesterday and I went to my local park to try it. This park is right down the road from my house and I have hunted it to death. Very small. You can't even get a signal in the swim area. (well I couldn't!!)

I got out of my car and threw 85 cents in the water. I then got on my scuba gear and went in. This machine suprized the heck out of me. I was getting signals I never heard with my other unit. I dug 2 pull tab rings that were over 12" down. I was ALWAYS told the 10" loop was deeper. Now I am very confused as the subject goes. I was also picking up very small aluminum that my machine never hit on.


I plan on going back today. My idea is using the 8 inch coil and going over the swim area and marking any targets I get. Then going back with the 10" coil to make sure my observations are correct. I really know they are though. I am just confused as to why.

 

[vlad]

Can you use a land detector in the park swim area?

 

[scubadetector]

Yes I could and I could take my DFX there. I have already drowned it once though!!!! And yes I really know about the problems they are having!!! I know it only TOO WELL. But if they only replaced the pinpoint switch and the coil, it shouldn't be this bad, or should it???

My test today should confirm what I already know. I will have to call 1st Texas back about this machine. GRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

 

[Anonymous]

or are the first buyers going to be the guinea pigs with all the new fishers??????????????????????????????????????

 

[vlad]

His expertise and input would have made all the difference in the world!
How many years had he tested for before First Texas came along?

 

[XLT-user]

n/t

 

[Mike Scott]

Vlad,

That was the old Fisher and the CZ20 that had the MAJOR qc problem and instead of facing it they ran away like scared children and discontinued one of their most popular detectors. First TX on the other hand embraced the challenge solved the problem of the leaking CZ20s (which is why they were discontinued) and are now selling them with great success.
All the circuitry is the same except the pinpoint so the detector is as well.............There is a testing and tuning procedure that we follow on all CZ21s that is the same test and tune used that was used on the CZ20 in Los Banos. We also brought the BEST technician from Los Banos-Daniel Snell not to mention David Johnson who both have a long history with the CZ series. We have had some issues leading to some unhappy customers as do all detectors but most have to do with converting old CZ20 customers to the 21 or are based on existing CZ20 issues. Leaking units are not an issue and the CZ21 is a fine detector.----your statement is false. Not only are we selling a product that the old Fisher was incapable of manufacturing we are honoring the lifetime warranties of the entire legacy Fishers and old CZ20s the old Fisher knew would fail and ran away from.

Those that had CZ20 w/ the LT warr were happy being converted to CZ21 for free due to us honoring warranties but those without warranties having to pay complained on the price so we came up with a great new customer friendly policy for old non warranted CZ20 owners.

$399

 

[vlad]

[BUT SINCE YOU WORK FOR THE COMPANY I'D SAY ANYTHING YOU SAY IS PROPAGANDA]
I'm not cheer leading [ask Bill about the time we crossed swords, if we had been close together it would have
come to blows!], but I know COMPETENCE & EXPERTISE when I see it. Is Bill under contract to you? If not,
its an OPEN MARKET when it comes to doing field test. If he has a chance to make some money doing field
test for other makes why would he turn it down? If he has $100 in his pocket and sees $100 on the ground,
you think he is not going to pick it up? Have you put him under a retainer?
What about using his coin finds pictured with more than one detector?
Is that ethical? Did he get credited for the finds? [Or was it just something EASY to do?] If anyone is fearful of losing
Bill Ladd its you and your disrespectful attitude toward him-were I him I'd be long gone. [His idea of video field test
is nothing short of brilliant, and explaining the controls and what they do and how they operate.]
"instigate trouble for FT and Fisher and always seem to attempt to discredit us and make us look bad??" You don't
need me for that as you are doing a wonderful job all by yourself-you just don't like it pointed out. It took TINFOIL
three F-75's before he got one that worked. The current retrofit update for the F-75 is to fix problems that never should have
been there to start with-and I guarantee if Jim Lewellyn & Don Parks were still there they would have left perfect.
Still only one loop for the T-2, why no concentric so it can knock out bottle caps. Where is the 10" LOOP
FOR THE F-75??? What about the F-70 update-more quality control issues??? You make the CZ-21; why no
metering circuit and L.E.D.'s for T.I.D. ON LAND AND WATER, IT COULD HAVE BEEN AN INDUSTRY FIRST?
You would have a waiting list 3 months long. But instead you are content to just remake the CZ-20.
Why no CZ with a LINEAR READOUT? This is still one of the deepest detectors ever made, but adios CZ-70Pro
and probably the 3D is on the short list. No more I.D. EDGE? BEST detector in its price range & THEN SOME.
I criticize because you are content to just run IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK instead of being truly innovative
and being a LEADER. The money is good and I guess you are satisfied with it so you just lean back and sit on your laurels.
While in the meantime discriminating P.I's have shown up that will work ground supposedly hunted out, or minerals
so bad VLF's can't get any depth. Where is P.I.?
THE NEXT TIME YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO IS MAKING YOU LOOK BAD, LINE UP THE BOARD, AND HAVE
THEM LOOK IN THE MIRROR. YOU should be displayed prominently.
[Care to comment that you will be /are outsourcing detectors from CHINA?]
Telling dealers they can only discount a certain %? Oh, you people did not know about that?
That is illegal & violates the Uniform Commerce Code, and several others, by artificially prompting up the price,
and its just a matter of time before the FTC steps in. Our system of commerce, the FREE MARKET CAPITALISM
is supposed to protect the consumer and make sure they get the best price-NOT THE DEALER. INSTEAD, YOU HAVE
PRICE FIXING.
Hopefully when your day comes, it will bring us a better FISHER and line of products.

 

[scubadetector]

WOW, Sorry folks. I have had my problems with First Texas but I didn't want it to come to this!! I was making an observation and wasn't trying to slam any body. This 8" coil machine is HOT. It picks up small pieces of fishhook a few inches deep. My 10" coil one will not. That is probably good as I don't need to chase the danged things!!!!

But it is a fact that the 8" coil on the CZ-20 will pick up pull tabs deeper than the CZ-21 with the 10" coil. Wich means it will probably pick up gold rings in the sand much deeper also.

The reason I bought another one is that I think they are the BEST VLF for underwater on the market. I have used a few others but I really enjoy this machine. Look at my signature, It is going up 2 more silver rings and 3 more silver coins today. BUT they were all got with the 8" coil on a VERY SMALL sand beach that I have hunted to death.

IMHO, I think First Texas is trying to bring back a great machine that Fisher discontinued. I do realize that they have problems and I am frustrated but lately tollerant. If they wouldn't have brought them back a lot would be in the garbage after they malfunctioned and ther are a few of us that think they are the best machine out there.

ONE of the malfunctioning machines was ALL MY FAULT. If first First Texas hadn't bothered with them no parts would be available.

Mike, One thing that was NEVER told to me is that I could have had my machines fixed any other way except paying a lot of money. You are showing everyone a price list that was NEVER offered.

I NEVER use the pinpoint button. I NEVER touch it. I would have opted to have it completly disconnected if I knew that option existed.

I hope that they give other owners the oppurtunity to make a decision. Thanks for letting me know anyway!!

 

[vlad]

But its still mysterious, how good working CZ-20 were sent in for a check up,
and every single one came back billed over $500.
Oh, one guy posted don't fix it and then got an email that NOTHING was wrong with
his CZ-20, it worked alright.

 

[vlad]

to use, or where he explains the controls, or where he goes on a hunt with it?
Or are you too busy shuffling papers, and stacking paper clips,
and sending memos back and forth that mean ditto?

 

[RichW]

I've used CZ's since they first came out. I've always found more with the 8" coil. The 8" coil is more sensitive to smaller objects and there's fewer problems with target masking. I finally gave up on the 10" coil and sold it. I haven't missed it at all, it's way to heavy and harder to push through the water.

 

[Bill Ladd]

I'll take one CZ-21 please Since I'm now a certified scuba diver & all's I have to do is ask right? Seems I remember asking you personally for a CZ-21 months ago reminding you that Rhode Island is called "the ocean state". But it was you that stated: "We're all set"......
So, First Texas has my home address....I expect a CZ-21 within the week.
BLad

 

[Bugar In. USA]

I been easin back in to the Fisher/Texas lineup, see how things is a goin, well got a F2 for starters, like it fine, but seems like you got some carpers, not a likin the Fishers,, I don't like somethin, I get rid of it and get something I like, no need on workin everbody up, I got beepers I like now, probly be swappin in the future, but i think Fisher's doin purty good rite now, Happy swimmin Billy Boy

 

[BJC]

Perhaps they should have let Fisher go belly up, at least we wouldn't be having post with these kind of excuses. The page is full of complaints about the new Fisher units, and we get a lame post like this from the so called Director of Hobby Sales. If your the director, lets get these detector complaints taken care of.