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Compass Yukon 77B
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Cameraniac
Active member
Very informative video. I know of some sites where that Yukon 77b would come in real handy.
Arthur-Canada
Member
I own this machine now in this YouTube video. John gave it to me a while back. I mod it into a straight rod like a Whites setup but have yet to use it in the field.
Old California
New member
Hello Arthur,
The 77B you got from John was my own trusty 77B, i had modified years ago then put it back to stock when John bought it from me.
Tom from California was the one who first interduced me to the 77B, then I picked up one the same one John bought from me.
That particular 77B, scored me my first shield nickel and seated half dime and auctally Tom was the there that night at an 1858 butterfield stage stop 12-14 years ago. Then, it later bagged two seated another night one was an extremely rare quarter.
That was one nice 77B, still have my second 77B will never part with it.
HH, Paul
The 77B you got from John was my own trusty 77B, i had modified years ago then put it back to stock when John bought it from me.
Tom from California was the one who first interduced me to the 77B, then I picked up one the same one John bought from me.
That particular 77B, scored me my first shield nickel and seated half dime and auctally Tom was the there that night at an 1858 butterfield stage stop 12-14 years ago. Then, it later bagged two seated another night one was an extremely rare quarter.
That was one nice 77B, still have my second 77B will never part with it.
HH, Paul
Wow, I hadn't recollected the evolution in that way Paul. And now, considering you are amongst the primeire reknowned experts on vintage detectors, I am honored to have had any impact 
It's a bummer that there's not more interest in the subject of vintage detectors. Even those that were detecting in those days (60s/70s) don't really have much time for any sort of collecting, documenting, comparing, etc.... Contrast that to those who are into motorcycles, cars, etc... who go HOG WILD collecting, showing, writing about, etc... their vintage cars, bikes, etc... But md'ing is such a niche geeky hobby already to begin with. So not too many people take notice as to "how far we've come". I've loved reading your posts, seeing your pix, etc...
I too once started a vintage collections. Got a few from gold-hart Dan (that had been passed down to him from a guy who'd dealt detectors since the 1970s, that had been taken in on trades). And snatched any up I saw at flea markets, etc... Unfortunately during the storms of '97'-98, the industrial shop building where I had them stored, developed a leak in the roof. Water came in and dribbled down onto the exact shelf I had several of the units stored. Ruined and rusted them, before I realized what had happened. So that ended my aspirations of thinking I was going to start a "vintage detector museum" Doh! Glad you took better care of your stuff
It's a bummer that there's not more interest in the subject of vintage detectors. Even those that were detecting in those days (60s/70s) don't really have much time for any sort of collecting, documenting, comparing, etc.... Contrast that to those who are into motorcycles, cars, etc... who go HOG WILD collecting, showing, writing about, etc... their vintage cars, bikes, etc... But md'ing is such a niche geeky hobby already to begin with. So not too many people take notice as to "how far we've come". I've loved reading your posts, seeing your pix, etc...
I too once started a vintage collections. Got a few from gold-hart Dan (that had been passed down to him from a guy who'd dealt detectors since the 1970s, that had been taken in on trades). And snatched any up I saw at flea markets, etc... Unfortunately during the storms of '97'-98, the industrial shop building where I had them stored, developed a leak in the roof. Water came in and dribbled down onto the exact shelf I had several of the units stored. Ruined and rusted them, before I realized what had happened. So that ended my aspirations of thinking I was going to start a "vintage detector museum" Doh! Glad you took better care of your stuff
Old California
New member
Tom,
Yeah, You're the one who introduced TR unmasking abilities to me when you were demonstrating your 77B to us a good 14 years ago with the nails over coin test. At the time, Like you owned and used old TR's much earlier but we didn't understand 100kHz detectors could see in-between iron much easier than VLF. Was a leaning experience seeing you demonstrate the 77B, Seems much longer but that's the time frame 14 years or so.
I remember seeing Andrews old beatup 6000 Di-Pro at your shop, And still have the Compass 100kHz 77 Auto-Legend you gave me. At the time, It had a bad coil and needed a speaker and some work but now it's working great!
Dan Hart gave me a bunch of detectors too, Still have all of them these were vintage models from the sixties to seventies. Great guy too bad we lost him moving back east but he's in an area rich with history which suits him well he's at home living in paradise territory
By the way, a local newbie to the hobby scored an historic find from one of my sites it's going to the museum along with finds I've made over the years from the same site. Super cool find from our first pioneers from our area, This site was the first settlement between Stockton and Los Angles.
Will share this find on the Ca forum in the near future, Getting together with the Museum Curator soon so my friend new to the hobby can present this find. May be a Whites winner if he enters the monthly contest, He scored the find with a V3i.
HH, Paul
Yeah, You're the one who introduced TR unmasking abilities to me when you were demonstrating your 77B to us a good 14 years ago with the nails over coin test. At the time, Like you owned and used old TR's much earlier but we didn't understand 100kHz detectors could see in-between iron much easier than VLF. Was a leaning experience seeing you demonstrate the 77B, Seems much longer but that's the time frame 14 years or so.
I remember seeing Andrews old beatup 6000 Di-Pro at your shop, And still have the Compass 100kHz 77 Auto-Legend you gave me. At the time, It had a bad coil and needed a speaker and some work but now it's working great!
Dan Hart gave me a bunch of detectors too, Still have all of them these were vintage models from the sixties to seventies. Great guy too bad we lost him moving back east but he's in an area rich with history which suits him well he's at home living in paradise territory
By the way, a local newbie to the hobby scored an historic find from one of my sites it's going to the museum along with finds I've made over the years from the same site. Super cool find from our first pioneers from our area, This site was the first settlement between Stockton and Los Angles.
Will share this find on the Ca forum in the near future, Getting together with the Museum Curator soon so my friend new to the hobby can present this find. May be a Whites winner if he enters the monthly contest, He scored the find with a V3i.
HH, Paul
fowlercharles
Member
Hey Fellers, Question: I have a Yukon 94 B with a 8"(7.75) coil , Compass Coin Hustler with a 6" coil , and another Compass Coin Hustler with an 8" coil. Which would be best in a site littered with nails. I "think" the nails are probably from a 20 -30's logging camp but the site is next to an early road (now extinct)used from around 1815 -1870's. There is a creek and sign of some old Oaks literally within spitting distance. The site would be high and dry year round so of course I figure it for a perfect overnight camp spot, but have not proved it yet , other than a spoon from the 30-40's.Havent really bowed up on it yet but it's next on my list. Don't think the nails are from a house site, and so far none were cut nails. Which of those 100 KHz machines do you think would be better in those nails and small iron? Lot of it will likely make the 100Khz sound off. I will eventually get around to using them all but thought I might try one of the 8"first for more coverage and depth and after I get familiar with the really thick iron spots come back on them with the 6" . What y'all think? HH,Charlie
all 3 of those options are going to be equal in nail-see-through-ability. Yes the 6" coil will see-less-objects at-a-time. I mean, that's the rule of thumb with any small vs large coil, is less info for the coil to "compute" (average) at a given moment of time/signal. However, the down-side, of course, is that small coils will have less depth.
I would go with the 94b and the 8" on that. I don't see enough merit to dropping just 2" more (to the 6") to mandate smaller coil. You're already going to have such a major advantage even with the 8", that there's not enough additional merit to going to a yet-smaller coil, IMHO.
And the reason I'd say 94b, (even though it's identical in actual detection) is that it had some more control options. Versus the Hustler which was harder to keep tuned, with less control options. But technically, they're all about the same for what you're about to do.
I would go with the 94b and the 8" on that. I don't see enough merit to dropping just 2" more (to the 6") to mandate smaller coil. You're already going to have such a major advantage even with the 8", that there's not enough additional merit to going to a yet-smaller coil, IMHO.
And the reason I'd say 94b, (even though it's identical in actual detection) is that it had some more control options. Versus the Hustler which was harder to keep tuned, with less control options. But technically, they're all about the same for what you're about to do.
fowlercharles
Member
that's what I suspected would be the case but wanted to hear it from someone with first hand experience. Now I can go at it better knowing I'm using the better tool of the three. Lol, All I need now is a good tick killing frost, but that will be a while yet in S. Ms. Thanks again and HH, Charlie
Old California
New member
Hello Charlie,
Tom gave a great explanation of the three TR's, He's right the 94b will be the better of the three plus should maintain a smoother more consistent threshold as long as it's working like it should.
I have several different Compass TR's, The higher top end models somehow are better with the 94b being one step above a Hustler. Compass Hustler's are great but more of a grab and go lightweight detector for fun.
Good luck!
Paul
Tom gave a great explanation of the three TR's, He's right the 94b will be the better of the three plus should maintain a smoother more consistent threshold as long as it's working like it should.
I have several different Compass TR's, The higher top end models somehow are better with the 94b being one step above a Hustler. Compass Hustler's are great but more of a grab and go lightweight detector for fun.
Good luck!
Paul
fowlercharles
Member
I have a couple of other machines that not much, if anything is ever said about their being apt at beating the masking affect. The Old Garrett Sidewinder BFO(my first machine in 69) and the Hays MK2(and MKI). I have to laugh at myself now remembering when first starting out how I would come through a patch of nails laying all over the top of the ground and the Sidewinder not making a beep (Put Put). Of course I was stump dumb about masking then(but who wasn't?) and being engrossed in what I was doing but I always thought to myself, how strange it was , not a beep out of those nails ,and just kept on swinging that coil. I still have that Sidewinder. I read awhile back where a friend of one of the guys used the Mk 1or 2 to relic hunt really trashy places and always found really great goodies. The Mk 2 that I have is in new condition and is likely to be one of the later models since 85 which would be a 92 KHz. They started out in 62 as 95.5 KHz. I have only played a little with mine in my yard but it seems to do as well as the Compass at culling the coins from the nails. I don't have a clue as to the depth it is hitting but probably not what the Compass is getting by a long shot. It is super feather light for backpacking a spare machine for those super trash sites in the woods. I know Viking Detectors (UK) have been making( and updating ) their mask busting machines for years so there is a market for the machines. I'm happy with what I have on hand but will enjoy it more knowing I have a machine that will give me a "better chance" at some goodies when the time comes. HH,Charlie
Old California
New member
Hi Charlie,
Good to hear you still have a bulk of your old vintage detectors, and yes I too am guilty not knowing about iron masking back then.
I never owned one of the TR Mark I or II versions, so those were 62 or 95.5khz for the later versions. See them on eBay all the time, may have to pick one up and compare with the Compass Hustler.
Still have my Garrett BFO sidewinder, works too but my arm can only handle a quick hunt with it.
Wow! So you're familiar with the Viking from across the pond, once had the V5 model well think it was the V5 and it was a tad better than our Compass77B on separation in iron. But, in mineralized ground or disturbed ground it was useless stability was terrible. Sold it for pennies, wish I still had it for in some areas it performed better than the 77B.
Good to hear from you Charlie, you take care old friend and keep swinging the vintage detectors.
HH, Paul
Good to hear you still have a bulk of your old vintage detectors, and yes I too am guilty not knowing about iron masking back then.
I never owned one of the TR Mark I or II versions, so those were 62 or 95.5khz for the later versions. See them on eBay all the time, may have to pick one up and compare with the Compass Hustler.
Still have my Garrett BFO sidewinder, works too but my arm can only handle a quick hunt with it.
Wow! So you're familiar with the Viking from across the pond, once had the V5 model well think it was the V5 and it was a tad better than our Compass77B on separation in iron. But, in mineralized ground or disturbed ground it was useless stability was terrible. Sold it for pennies, wish I still had it for in some areas it performed better than the 77B.
Good to hear from you Charlie, you take care old friend and keep swinging the vintage detectors.
HH, Paul
Yes. That is true. There is also, if I recall, the "Viking II" and "Viking III" and so forth. The only differences between the "steps up" would be things like intensity meter, course & fine tuning, the ability to adjust auto-tune speed, battery checks, and so forth. But essentially all the same: All-metal TR's like the 77b.
Depth will be poor. And discrimination (of things other than small iron) won't be available. And your ability/performance in minerals and un-even soils will be poor. But ....... like the 77b, it will kick @ss on seeing through a few nails on top of a coin
Depth will be poor. And discrimination (of things other than small iron) won't be available. And your ability/performance in minerals and un-even soils will be poor. But ....... like the 77b, it will kick @ss on seeing through a few nails on top of a coin
Old California
New member
Going from memory on comparison between the Viking 5 and 77B, the Viking 5 had an edge in good ground.
In disturbed ground or ground with mineralization, the 77B was better. The Viking series had poor stability in poor soil or disturbed soil. However, on flat land the Viking 5 had an edge on separation.
Between the Viking 1 and Viking 5, both are about the same. They even look alike the new versions do but I think the Viking 1 comes with a 6" coil the Viking 5 sports the larger 8". I may order another one, balanced extreamly well hardly no weight to them.
HH, Paul
In disturbed ground or ground with mineralization, the 77B was better. The Viking series had poor stability in poor soil or disturbed soil. However, on flat land the Viking 5 had an edge on separation.
Between the Viking 1 and Viking 5, both are about the same. They even look alike the new versions do but I think the Viking 1 comes with a 6" coil the Viking 5 sports the larger 8". I may order another one, balanced extreamly well hardly no weight to them.
HH, Paul
Old California
New member
A pleasure Rich,
Should have added I believe the yellow version WASP and WASP II from the UK are similar to the Viking series only under a different name and sold for Industrial purposes. Only that the WASP II has a pinpoint feature but from what I can tell the regular WASP model is the same as the Viking 5 only comes in yellow.
I've already started making connect with sellers from the UK and hopefully get one of the Viking series, May go for the Viking V6 which has a retune button always wanted to compare this model with the Viking V5. If I can swing both for a good deal that will be great otherwise just may settle for the V6 only and go from there.
Thanks Rich!
Paul
Should have added I believe the yellow version WASP and WASP II from the UK are similar to the Viking series only under a different name and sold for Industrial purposes. Only that the WASP II has a pinpoint feature but from what I can tell the regular WASP model is the same as the Viking 5 only comes in yellow.
I've already started making connect with sellers from the UK and hopefully get one of the Viking series, May go for the Viking V6 which has a retune button always wanted to compare this model with the Viking V5. If I can swing both for a good deal that will be great otherwise just may settle for the V6 only and go from there.
Thanks Rich!
Paul