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Comparison Of The VDI System On Two Top Minelab Detectors

Critterhunter

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I thought I'd write a little overview comparison of the pros and cons of the Etrac VDI system compared to the Sovereign. I'll try to be as "objective" as one can be who is a big Sovereign advocate. :biggrin: (Yea, right...) Let's start with the way the Etrac sets it's VDI up.

The horizontal axis of the Etrac is based on the conductivity of the target and ranges from 1 to 50. The vertical axis is based on the extent of the target's ferrous characteristics and ranges from 1 to 35. At first glance this seems rather impressive. However, unlike the Explorers, the Etrac compresses the ferrous range of most targets (rings, tabs, most coins, etc) into the 12th line on the ferrous scale. Further, ask any seasoned Etrac user and they will tell you that the ferrous reading of targets can range wildy based on the ground content and other factors. Most experienced Etrac users don't regard the ferrous reading on targets for this very reason. Lacking that as a guide, you are now left with a conductivity range of 1 to 50 on which to base target identities and split hairs on stuff.

One of the strengths of the Etrac and a weakness of the Sovereign is that the Etrac can identify more coin types based on the conductivity number, while the Sovereign compresses everything above copper pennies into the 180 number. As you can see, this range of the scale is expanded on the Etrac and makes it more useful for certain types of hunting. Mainly, a clad hunter who wants to avoid certain coins while digging others would have a distinct advantage using the Etrac for that purpose. However, Minelabs aren't exactly the best machines out there for fast clad hunting. There are many lower costs machines on the market that can be swung faster and thus rack up faster clad totals when doing that kind of hunting.

On the other hand, relying on coin type identification for old coin hunting can be risky. Coins at depth, coins on edge, coins in trash, worn coins, ground minerals...All these factors can make one coin read like another. For instance, on my 6000 Pro XLs I've dug silver dimes that read like pennies due to all of these factors at one point in time or another. A worn silver dime can easily read just like a copper penny, for instance.

Ask yourself this...If you are old coin hunting and you hit on a coin at depth or even shallow but mixed in trash, are you really going to pass it up because your machine thinks it looks like one coin versus another? Not me. If I get a penny signal at depth or in heavy trash I'll dig it in the hopes of an indian or a wheat, and as said many times I've been surprised to find a silver dime that for one reason or another read lower on the conductivity scale.

The Sovereign's ID scale is based on numbers up to 180 with most meters. Using a conservative starting point of 80 being the lowest useful VDI number, it has roughly double the conductivity resolution of the Etrac. It's strength is in the expanded low to mid range resolution of targets, which is greatly expanded compared to most other machines on the market. You will have a much easier time IDing nickles, for instance, as compared to other closely reading trash such as pulltabs on the Sovereign than you will on many other machines.

Another strength is that there is a much broader range of pull tab numbers that are identified, making it much easier to pick out two or three pesky pull tab numbers that keep showing up in a particular site and avoid them, while still digging other close by numbers in the hopes of a gold ring or some other good find. Block out one particular tab reading on a machine with a lower resolution mid range conductivity scale than the Sovereign, and you block out more good potential targets than you would otherwise do by avoiding a specific tab number on the Sovereign.

Just yesterday I used this ability at a site I was hunting in the hopes of a gold ring. I hit one particular spot where I dug three or four pull tabs that read the same specific number on my VDI. It was obvious that somebody had dropped a bunch of these tabs in this particular area. I noted the number they read and avoided digging any more of those numbers in that area. Had I not done that I would have spent the next half hour digging who knows how many more of these identical tabs.

One other pro/con item of note...With increased resolution in the coin range it can make coins at depth or in trash rather jumpy in ID. If you are the kind of person who likes to use the stability of a coin's VDI to decide if it's junk or not this can be a bit frustrating to use as a tool to decide it the target is dig worthy. In a sense, a "bigger net catches more fish" in that a wider "COIN" window (on say a Sovereign or a QXT Pro for example) can have you digging more potential targets...if you are one to allow the VDI stability to talk you out of a target being worth investigating.

So there you have it. There are pros and cons to the VDI on both the Sovereign and the Etrac. As we all know, just like the Sovereign, the Etrac has MANY other strengths than just the pros and cons of it's VDI system. You shouldn't base your purchase on that alone for either machine, but it is something to consider when shopping for various detectors. You have to decide which VDI system suits your hunting style more for the specific types of hunting you do. Based on that you'll favor one over the other for your intended purposes.
 
Just another example of your explorer/etrac envy critter. I see your wearing kinda thin on the etrac forum so now more of this here? I really dont see why you cant just let the Sov be what it is, and other detectors just be what they are, and not be in a crusade to make one better than another.
These explorer/etrac comparisons never seem to end with you. What exactly is your point with all this?
 
To clearify one point...Zinc cents on the Sovereign will read lower than 180. Being that they are the most avoided coin by clad hunters it's nice to be able to ID them like on other detectors. Also, copper pennies can read 179, although I have dug them that read 180.

One day an Etrac buddy and I were hunting an old coin spot. He got either a silver dollar or half dollar VDI number on a deep target. Turned out it was a merc, and with nothing else in the hole. I still don't know why it read that way for him. I'm thinking it must have had a heck of a halo around it or something. On any machine the conductivity value of coins can be off due to a number of factors.
 
most,but not all zinc read from 114 to 119. I have been wondering if anyone else experiences this. Metet is set to 180 with a quater.
 
No, that's way too low. Never heard of people having them read that low. Can't figure what would cause that, unless they are eat up real bad from salt water or something.
 
Charles,with your meter calibrated at180 for a US Quarter you should have a reading of 177 for most Zinc pennies.In all metal the 180 meter will not ID but will usually read around 124.What search coil are you using?Thanks Ron
 
Neil, no comments on the content of the article? Just negative remarks about me? "Wearing thin?" I just did a search for me in the Etrac or Explorer forums over the 2 years since I've been on here. I counted about 2 or 3 messages in total from both forums that you might vaguely consider "blatantly" "pro" Sovereign in any big way. Most of what posts I've had on those forums have been concerning the SEF coils, questions about programming my friend's Etrac, or other subjects. You will find many positive messages concerning the Sovereign in those forums...but not from me.

On the other hand, there have been WAY more pro Etrac or Explorer posts by others in the Sovereign forum over the past two years. I didn't see you jumping on those guys for that in the past. Oh, I forgot...You were one of those guys. So it's not OK for me to make a VERY small mention of the Sovereign over there in those forums, but not a problem when the reverse is true here in a very big way? Talk about calling the kettle black...

The "incident" you are referring to is as follows...

Big Boys Hobbies said:
There is nothing out better for deep silver that the E-Trac. Except maybe a Minelab SE Pro! lol

Critterhunter said:
Or a Sovereign GT.

That's all I said. Not a word more in my message, and I got jumped on by ONE GUY for saying those four words. Apparently it's OK to mention an SE Pro in the Etrac forum but not another Minelab? I wasn't aware of that unwritten rule concerning what is PC in that forum. Not a bunch of other messages leading up to that "promoting" the Sovereign either, so don't make it sound like a big event or that I was posting tons of messages pushing the Sovereign and asking for it. Do your own search for me in those forums and count up the the "blatant" "Pro" Sovereign messages over 2 years. Don't take my word for it.

So don't exaggerate by making it sound like I've been dumping pro Sovereign messages in those forums left and right. I know not to cause trouble like that. But I think I would find it interesting to do a search and see how many times you've mentioned the Etrac of Explorer in this forum. What do you say we count those up and compare them to the 2 or 3 messages that could be considered "pro" Sovereign messages by me in 2 years in those other forums. Then we can decide what "wearing thin" is all about.
 
that guy knows you well enough critter and he isnt the only one over there that feels that way. Trolling was the word wasnt it?
 
Neil, come on now. You aren't being honest with people. I posted a message about these metal detecting TV shows, of which there had been NUMEROUS threads in that forum on that very subject already. Somebody said I was "trolling" because they were sick of the threads by others on the subject. Don't make it sound like it has anything to do with me promoting the Sovereign or something. You're better than that, Neil.
 
And by the way...If I was "jealous" of the Explorer then why did I get rid of three of them over the years? Don't you think I would have kept the 2nd or 3rd one if I was "envious" of them. And as far as the Etrac goes, I have full access to my friend's Etrac any time I want it. I've used it enough to know that it isn't the machine for me, so I don't bother with it anymore.

Let's get this straight...I'm a BIG fan of the GT. All I'm trying to do is spread the word of some of the pros and cons of machines I've used in comparison to it. Maybe it'll stop a few people from making the same mistakes I did if they are looking for the same kinds of things in a detector. Lord knows I wasted enough money on detectors over the years not to learn a thing or two in what I was looking for. Had I not had the exposure to my friend's Etrac I probably would have bought one sooner or later and found out it wasn't the dream detector in every aspect of it that everybody made it out to be. It has issues, just like any other detector. One of those issues is it's VDI system. 50 point target resolution is really rather sad.
 
Ron, mostly use the 10 inch tornado. It does not always show 114-119 but does most of the time on zinc. I also use the 12x15 sef at the beach and I think it does the same thing. I don't use the meter very much at the beach. I never saw anyone comment on this type of reading. but it sure does. I don't feel that this is a problem, just unusual.
 
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Name Withheld said:
I own the GT and the Etrac. Enjoyed your little article on the pros and cons of each. One thing though, the Etrac starts at about 40 or 42 in conductivity for a copper penny so it's more like a range of 1 to 40 for low and mid conductivity targets compared to 180 for the Sovereign. I like them both and won't be getting rid of either one of them. Depends on what machine I'm in the mood for.
 
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