Mike Hillis
Well-known member
Let me just preface this by stating that I'm highly biased toward the F5.
Comparing the F5 and the Omega 8000:
The Omega
Comparing the F5 and the Omega 8000:
The Omega
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Comparing the Fisher F5 and the Tek Omega 8000 (very very long)
- Thread starter Mike Hillis
- Start date
Mike I really enjoyed your writeup on the Omega vs F5, well done. It sounds like the F5 is a superior machine to the Omega at this point.
You have a very interesting perspective on the threshold control. In your estimation would it be safe to say that if you can run the F5 at max (or close to) gain, and max threshold and the machine remains stable, this is the optimal desired setting ?
I'm trying to visualize if the machine was stable with max gain/thresh settings, what application I would want to utilize the threshold in the negative settings as you described ? I supposed if you were in an area that was loaded with small bits of iron, that a negative threshold would squelch out the iron from triggering false high tone positives (although in my experience so far, it's the larger rusty iron that's had that effect).
Also if you notch out the 50c + range, and you truly hit a 50c or $1 coin, then it gives an iron grunt, and in the slight chance that you did hit a legit 50C or $1 target, it's lost.
Thanks,
Brian
You have a very interesting perspective on the threshold control. In your estimation would it be safe to say that if you can run the F5 at max (or close to) gain, and max threshold and the machine remains stable, this is the optimal desired setting ?
I'm trying to visualize if the machine was stable with max gain/thresh settings, what application I would want to utilize the threshold in the negative settings as you described ? I supposed if you were in an area that was loaded with small bits of iron, that a negative threshold would squelch out the iron from triggering false high tone positives (although in my experience so far, it's the larger rusty iron that's had that effect).
Also if you notch out the 50c + range, and you truly hit a 50c or $1 coin, then it gives an iron grunt, and in the slight chance that you did hit a legit 50C or $1 target, it's lost.
Thanks,
Brian
detectorbill
Member
Thanks Mike, your input and analysis is always appreciated and taken to heart! Keep up the good work!
So far it looks like the Omega isn't worth the extra $100 over the F5. I am saving my coins for the F5 right now and also waiting for the new coils promised in the spring. I hope the small coil will let you get closer to playground equiptment. The small coil for the F4 is not good for that. I can still get closer with my Ace with stock coil than F4 with small.
I am also hoping Fisher will give you a choice of stock coils on the F5 or Omega. Concentric or DD because when you look at the cost of buying the detector and then getting a DD you are getting close to the price of a higher priced detector.
Always look forward to your reports Mike.
Does the Omega also retain the number tid in all metal? I wish the F4 did.
blacktoe
I am also hoping Fisher will give you a choice of stock coils on the F5 or Omega. Concentric or DD because when you look at the cost of buying the detector and then getting a DD you are getting close to the price of a higher priced detector.
Always look forward to your reports Mike.
Does the Omega also retain the number tid in all metal? I wish the F4 did.
blacktoe
jeff@middlesex
New member
Thanks Mike for all that testing I am going to try out a Gamma 6000 this spring and see how it does in the farm fields and ghost towns
Hi,
I wonder how the omega 8000 will handle iron trash. I am from the Netherlands and I had a F70 that worked fine on farmfields but when I took it to an old park, it went completely nuts even in the lowest sensitivity settings. Therefore I am curious how the 8000 will perform. Like to see some test results Mike.
Thanks, Eric.
I wonder how the omega 8000 will handle iron trash. I am from the Netherlands and I had a F70 that worked fine on farmfields but when I took it to an old park, it went completely nuts even in the lowest sensitivity settings. Therefore I am curious how the 8000 will perform. Like to see some test results Mike.
Thanks, Eric.
This was shared with me from Fisher( First Texas)
T-2 started the ball rolling Totally new design from the ground up.Not based on any earlier platform.
F-75 major redesign of the T-2 platform with the focus on higher performance, and more features.
F-70 is a major redesign of the F-75 platform with a focus on simplicity. The Engineering was done completely by Dave Johnson & John Gardiner
Fisher F-4 and F-2 are major redesigns by Mr. Gardiner, and Mr. Johnson of the Bounty Hunter Platform. Bounty Hunter platforms are ultimately traceable to George Payne.
Now the good part...... F-5 is one of several new products which are variants of a totally new platform designed by Jorge Anton Saad, John Gardiner, and Dave Johnson.
Search coils are not interchangeable between the platforms T-2 coils will not work on Fisher Products.
Omega is any ones guess...............T2- ? Bounty Hunter ? Fisher ?..It was not on the table when I got this information.
Seems I did read somewhere it was some Bounty Hunter legacy in the Omega......but that might be just hearsay...........But what doesn't surprise me is the f-5 has the edge..It's pretty much all new...............and the new products from Fisher have proven to be outstanding detectors, with a lot of punch power where it counts.
T-2 started the ball rolling Totally new design from the ground up.Not based on any earlier platform.
F-75 major redesign of the T-2 platform with the focus on higher performance, and more features.
F-70 is a major redesign of the F-75 platform with a focus on simplicity. The Engineering was done completely by Dave Johnson & John Gardiner
Fisher F-4 and F-2 are major redesigns by Mr. Gardiner, and Mr. Johnson of the Bounty Hunter Platform. Bounty Hunter platforms are ultimately traceable to George Payne.
Now the good part...... F-5 is one of several new products which are variants of a totally new platform designed by Jorge Anton Saad, John Gardiner, and Dave Johnson.
Search coils are not interchangeable between the platforms T-2 coils will not work on Fisher Products.
Omega is any ones guess...............T2- ? Bounty Hunter ? Fisher ?..It was not on the table when I got this information.
Seems I did read somewhere it was some Bounty Hunter legacy in the Omega......but that might be just hearsay...........But what doesn't surprise me is the f-5 has the edge..It's pretty much all new...............and the new products from Fisher have proven to be outstanding detectors, with a lot of punch power where it counts.
Mike Hillis
Well-known member
Brian,
Sorry for the late reply. Just a lot going on with work, family, church, and detecting. I need to clone myself
In my opinion, maxing out the gain and threshold on the F5, if you could, is only good for target sparse areas where you want to get as deep as possible and still utilize all the disc features.
Think about this. Gain multiplies the target signal, makes it bigger, amplifies it. The threshold affects the trigger points for target response. What settings would give me solid, stable target id's? Max gain with maxed threshold? No. For solid, stable target id I'd need a certain signal strength. Negative threshold settings allow you to get that. Where would I want solid stable target id? High trash areas are one place, manicured lawns are another.
Regards the 50c notch. You know the places that need that when you run into them. Old home sites with the tin roof blown off and disintegrating into fist size and larger pieces buried under 5" of dirt, back yards littered with buried, flatten metal cans, or wire. Then you don't care about missing a possible half or dollar coin, you just want to be able to run the detector.
HH
Mike
Sorry for the late reply. Just a lot going on with work, family, church, and detecting. I need to clone myself
In my opinion, maxing out the gain and threshold on the F5, if you could, is only good for target sparse areas where you want to get as deep as possible and still utilize all the disc features.
Think about this. Gain multiplies the target signal, makes it bigger, amplifies it. The threshold affects the trigger points for target response. What settings would give me solid, stable target id's? Max gain with maxed threshold? No. For solid, stable target id I'd need a certain signal strength. Negative threshold settings allow you to get that. Where would I want solid stable target id? High trash areas are one place, manicured lawns are another.
Regards the 50c notch. You know the places that need that when you run into them. Old home sites with the tin roof blown off and disintegrating into fist size and larger pieces buried under 5" of dirt, back yards littered with buried, flatten metal cans, or wire. Then you don't care about missing a possible half or dollar coin, you just want to be able to run the detector.
HH
Mike
Mike Hillis
Well-known member
FTP just asked me to compare the two machines and that's what I'm doing.
HH
Mike
HH
Mike
Mike Hillis
Well-known member
How did you come up with a handle like that?
I think you would be very happy with a F5. I also think that a good detector dealer would be willing to put whatever coil you wanted on a new F5.
HH
Mike
I think you would be very happy with a F5. I also think that a good detector dealer would be willing to put whatever coil you wanted on a new F5.
HH
Mike
Mike Hillis
Well-known member
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Mike Hillis
Well-known member
Eric,
Sunday I spend 4 hours with the Omega on the ground focused on the iron discrimination and alum range targets. The F5 and the Omega approach iron different ways. In fact they may share the same basic platform but they are not the same machine at all. The F5 identifies iron trash and will discriminate iron trash pretty decently with the majority of it reading in the 8-12 number range. The Omega's expanded iron range actually works pretty good at identifying different types/shapes of ferrous targets. I spent a good two hours digging nothing but ferrous targets and I got pretty good at calling what I was digging up before I recovered it. I should have the write up posted in a couple of days.
HH
Mike
Sunday I spend 4 hours with the Omega on the ground focused on the iron discrimination and alum range targets. The F5 and the Omega approach iron different ways. In fact they may share the same basic platform but they are not the same machine at all. The F5 identifies iron trash and will discriminate iron trash pretty decently with the majority of it reading in the 8-12 number range. The Omega's expanded iron range actually works pretty good at identifying different types/shapes of ferrous targets. I spent a good two hours digging nothing but ferrous targets and I got pretty good at calling what I was digging up before I recovered it. I should have the write up posted in a couple of days.
HH
Mike
Mike Hillis said:Brian,
Sorry for the late reply. Just a lot going on with work, family, church, and detecting. I need to clone myself
In my opinion, maxing out the gain and threshold on the F5, if you could, is only good for target sparse areas where you want to get as deep as possible and still utilize all the disc features.
Think about this. Gain multiplies the target signal, makes it bigger, amplifies it. The threshold affects the trigger points for target response. What settings would give me solid, stable target id's? Max gain with maxed threshold? No. For solid, stable target id I'd need a certain signal strength. Negative threshold settings allow you to get that. Where would I want solid stable target id? High trash areas are one place, manicured lawns are another.
Regards the 50c notch. You know the places that need that when you run into them. Old home sites with the tin roof blown off and disintegrating into fist size and larger pieces buried under 5" of dirt, back yards littered with buried, flatten metal cans, or wire. Then you don't care about missing a possible half or dollar coin, you just want to be able to run the detector.
HH
Mike
Hi Mike,
I hear you, I'm taking a college class, working 50 hours a week, and trying to squeeze in as much metal detecting as I can before it gets hot as hades out here and the ground is hard as cement, a clone would be great
I really need to focus more on what your saying regarding the sensitivity and threshold this weekend when I get out. I've played around with the threshold settings on the F5, and the only difference I've seen is if I'm in an area where the F5 starts to chatter, that by lowering the threshold I eliminate the chatter, and I can still keep the sensitivity up around 90. In air testing I see that I get greater depth and better signal sounds when the threshold is turned up. These are the two main things I'm seeing with threshold, but I've also been trying to keep the sensitivity as close to maximum as possible.
More F5 testing to do.
HH,
Brian
Thanks for the answer Mike. I am waiting for the new coils to be released before getting one.
As for my handle. I used to shoot trap with a breakopen shotgun and rested the barrel of the open gun on the toe of my shoe between shots. The barrel turned the toe of my shoe black, hence "blacktoe". I have been asked before if it was indian or something, nope just a shotgunner.
blacktoe
As for my handle. I used to shoot trap with a breakopen shotgun and rested the barrel of the open gun on the toe of my shoe between shots. The barrel turned the toe of my shoe black, hence "blacktoe". I have been asked before if it was indian or something, nope just a shotgunner.
blacktoe
