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Compadre VS Silver Umax

TabMagnet

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After sifting through lots of information and videos about the Compadre and the Silver Umax.... I have a question for those that use the Silver or both.

The Compadre seems to have phenomenal Iron discrimination abilities.... actually amazing is the word that comes to mind.

Does the Silver have similar capabilites? I ask this because the Compadre seems to be top shelf. I know my old White's Coinmaster could not do what the Compadre does.... just curious.

Although I have a Silver on order I have made my mind up to get both the Compadre and Silver. That 5.75" coil does seem fantastic for close in areas. I suspect next payday I will pop for the Lil C.:cheers:

After reviewing this before posting I realize I am in deep trouble and have Tesoroitis. I need a support group me thinks. And this is probably the wrong bunch of people to help me?:rofl:
 
yea 5 is my limit
 
Hey Tabmagnet, I pulled out my Silver on a hunt with my son, he had the Compadre. Long story short...he found our 12th gold ring of the year lol
14k Gold band, 1.5 grams
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Anyhow I noticed as we hunted that he was getting hits 2 fold of my silver at the same setting "iron" and most of his targets were good (clad) I on the other hand, found a great coin spill (5 quarters)and some other clad. I was going over his targets before he dug to see if both machines found the target to be "good" strangely some of the targets the Compadre found as good, I was finding as "bad" targets with the Silver.

Bottom line is I think the Compadre has better discrimination overall because it does it on a lower/tighter spectrum, they are very similar but the Compadre prevails overall. If I get some time today maybe I can make a test video of them. I think with those 2 machines you will have enough entertainment for years to come lol

I did enjoy using the Silver again and may use it tonight as well.

Hope this gives you a little bit of insight.
 
I don't own a Compadre (yet), but I do have the silver. I am a coinshooter and and set disc just short of zinc penny. At this setting I haven gotten wheaties at 7". I am guessing under the right conditions this thing could get 8", for sure on a quarter. I have found two larger rings with this setting. For what I use it for with how I have it set I can't complaing one bit. I have become very proficient at picking coins from trashy area. As a matter of fact I look for the trashy areas because I know if the area has been hunted they missed coins in the trashy areas. The silver separates coins from trash very well and has fast recovery speed. As you know it soooo simple to use. Turn it on and go. I love the Silver.
 
There are 2 major differences between the Compadre and silver, not counting that extra knob or the ability to change coils on the Silver.

The Compadre has older style retro circuitry and it is not the low noise-high gain variety that many detectors seem to have nowadays because the manufacturers believe this is what most hunters prefer.
The Compadre is a TRUE 180 degree ED, (Expanded Discrimination) unit, the Silver is 120 ED.

For those that don't know what this is, take a protractor and look at it with the flat side on the bottom.
All metal will show up on the different areas of this top arc from iron all the way on the bottom or left side, to all high conductors on the other end, right side, and everything in between.
The Compadre can sense all of this entire range, the Silver will not be able to see or sense some of the iron areas in disc.
Even my Vaquero which is supposed to be 180 ED really isn't.
It has a larger range than the Silver, but still lacking in the ability to sense that low end of iron in disc so it is more like 160-165 ED.
In true all metal the Vaq and most other detectors will still pick up everything.

Because of this ability to "see" the objects in this low iron range it can easily pick up not only that real low end stuff but also the targets that come in at iron but a little higher in that range.
Targets like super small earring studs, extremely small and thin clasps on chains, and many other targets that would probably be invisible to the Silver and most other detectors.
The small coil on the Compadre probably has something to do with this extreme sensitivity, also, I know that by adding smaller sniper coils to my other detectors I can get signals on these type of targets that I can't with the bigger coils, and also that different circuitry the Compadre uses might factor in here, too.
I did have a chance to try a new Compadre with the 8" coil and it seems to work and be just as sensitive to most targets as my older 7" coil model which amazes me with the things it will pick up with a loud repeating signal, although I never did have a chance to see if that larger coil will pick up these tiny can-hardly-be-seen type of objects...but I suspect it might.
As far as iron and that new 8" coil Compadre, I can tell you it found a few iron objects so deep that I just gave up digging them because I didn't have a shovel.
I believe as a relic hunter this thing might be able to keep up with the big boys.
Not that I am suggesting anyone do this, but in highly mineralized relic hunting soil like in the southeast I suspect that by internally tweaking the internal pre-set Ground Balance to give you optimum depth at specific hot soil sites like these, I think the larger coil Compadre would be able to surprise people on what it could find and almost match and compete with anyone except maybe the PI land hunting units.

These are the reasons why the Compadre is such a good jewelry hunter, it just has a larger range that is not compressed in that lower end and gets a chance to actually see more and sense more so it can find more.

I have never seen any detector as sensitive as my Compadre, my own or in any videos or posts about other detectors.
I once found a single ball from a nail clipper chain with a loud and clear repeating signal with my Compadre, so small even the Propointer had trouble zeroing in on this thing in my hand, and Slingshot has said several times that his once found a nub from a ball point pen.
Not the whole tip assembly...just the tiny round nub ball.
Slingshot has also stated that in experimenting, as much as he loves his silver, there were a few small chains that were pretty much invisible to the Silver even when he scrapped them on the bottom of the coil that his Compadre picked up easily.

Because of this great sensitivity and large iron range that truly is Expanded Discrimination, the Tesoro's in general that are all pretty good about picking up iron usually can't exactly match the way the Compadre can do it.
Come across some different size or type of tiny nails that might be separated by only a few degrees on that protractor, most detectors that can pick these similar but slightly different targets up at all would probably show them as the same thing and come in at exactly the same place using the disc knob, where the Compadre would be able to actually perceive these as the two different entities that they really are, and you might just have to move that disc knob ever so slightly to pick up each one separately

As much as I love my Vaq, and also my F2 which is pretty darn sensitive in its own right with the sniper coil mounted, I have never found as many super tiny mico sized targets or more importantly chains than I have with that Compadre.
Using a combination of My Vaq for extreme depth and great sensitivity even with, and especially, using. my new sniper coil, the Compadre for other worldly sensitivity to chains and most other targets, and my F2 which gives me a little of both depending on the coils I use and a screen just for a change of pace once in awhile, I truly believe I have the best of all worlds.

Using both the Compadre and the Silver would be a similar experience I would think.
 
deliveryboy said:
Hey Tabmagnet, I pulled out my Silver on a hunt with my son, he had the Compadre. Long story short...he found our 12th gold ring of the year lol
14k Gold band, 1.5 grams
hM6HadJ.jpg

MvzP3Tt.jpg


Anyhow I noticed as we hunted that he was getting hits 2 fold of my silver at the same setting "iron" and most of his targets were good (clad) I on the other hand, found a great coin spill (5 quarters)and some other clad. I was going over his targets before he dug to see if both machines found the target to be "good" strangely some of the targets the Compadre found as good, I was finding as "bad" targets with the Silver.

Bottom line is I think the Compadre has better discrimination overall because it does it on a lower/tighter spectrum, they are very similar but the Compadre prevails overall. If I get some time today maybe I can make a test video of them. I think with those 2 machines you will have enough entertainment for years to come lol

I did enjoy using the Silver again and may use it tonight as well.

Hope this gives you a little bit of insight.

Exactly what the Dr. ordered, deliveryboy. Thanks and I would love to see the video...... when you say the Silver found some targets as "bad" do you mean the signal was weak or truncated compared to a solid smooth tone?
 
Rainyday101 said:
I don't own a Compadre (yet), but I do have the silver. I am a coinshooter and and set disc just short of zinc penny. At this setting I haven gotten wheaties at 7". I am guessing under the right conditions this thing could get 8", for sure on a quarter. I have found two larger rings with this setting. For what I use it for with how I have it set I can't complaing one bit. I have become very proficient at picking coins from trashy area. As a matter of fact I look for the trashy areas because I know if the area has been hunted they missed coins in the trashy areas. The silver separates coins from trash very well and has fast recovery speed. As you know it soooo simple to use. Turn it on and go. I love the Silver.

Nice... I'm looking forward to swinging the Silver. Just hope my knees hold out. Taking some supplements that seem to help quite a bit.
 
@ Tabmagnet "bad" as in the Compadre picked them up with strong signal at "Iron" setting, on the same setting on the Silver, the targets would come in broken or no sound at all. I tested a few of the "bad" targets just out of curiosity and sure enough they were "bad" lol

@ rainyday101 very insightful post, I think you summed it up very well.The 8"coil version sounds sweet, anyone want to trade a brand new Compadre 5.75" for an 8" version? :) I would love to have the variety.
 
REVIER said:
There are 2 major differences between the Compadre and silver, not counting that extra knob or the ability to change coils on the Silver.

The Compadre has older style retro circuitry and it is not the low noise-high gain variety that many detectors seem to have nowadays because the manufacturers believe this is what most hunters prefer.
The Compadre is a TRUE 180 degree ED, (Expanded Discrimination) unit, the Silver is 120 ED.

For those that don't know what this is, take a protractor and look at it with the flat side on the bottom.
All metal will show up on the different areas of this top arc from iron all the way on the bottom or left side, to all high conductors on the other end, right side, and everything in between.
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/CzJqSTbXAzo?feature=player_embedded" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Because of this ability to "see" the objects in this low iron range it can easily pick up not only that real low end stuff but also the targets that come in at iron but a little higher in that range.
Targets like super small earring studs, extremely small and thin clasps on chains, and many other targets that would probably be invisible to the Silver and most other detectors.
The small coil on the Compadre probably has something to do with this extreme sensitivity, also, I know that by adding smaller sniper coils to my other detectors I can get signals on these type of targets that I can't with the bigger coils, and also that different circuitry the Compadre uses might factor in here, too.
I did have a chance to try a new Compadre with the 8" coil and it seems to work and be just as sensitive to most targets as my older 7" coil model which amazes me with the things it will pick up with a loud repeating signal, although I never did have a chance to see if that larger coil will pick up these tiny can-hardly-be-seen type of objects...but I suspect it might.
As far as iron and that new 8" coil Compadre, I can tell you it found a few iron objects so deep that I just gave up digging them because I didn't have a shovel.
I believe as a relic hunter this thing might be able to keep up with the big boys.
Not that I am suggesting anyone do this, but in highly mineralized relic hunting soil like in the southeast I suspect that by internally tweaking the internal pre-set Ground Balance to give you optimum depth at specific hot soil sites like these, I think the larger coil Compadre would be able to surprise people on what it could find and almost match and compete with anyone except maybe the PI land hunting units.

These are the reasons why the Compadre is such a good jewelry hunter, it just has a larger range that is not compressed in that lower end and gets a chance to actually see more and sense more so it can find more.

I have never seen any detector as sensitive as my Compadre, my own or in any videos or posts about other detectors.
I once found a single ball from a nail clipper chain with a loud and clear repeating signal with my Compadre, so small even the Propointer had trouble zeroing in on this thing in my hand, and Slingshot has said several times that his once found a nub from a ball point pen.
Not the whole tip assembly...just the tiny round nub ball.
Slingshot has also stated that in experimenting, as much as he loves his silver, there were a few small chains that were pretty much invisible to the Silver even when he scrapped them on the bottom of the coil that his Compadre picked up easily.

Because of this great sensitivity and large iron range that truly is Expanded Discrimination, the Tesoro's in general that are all pretty good about picking up iron usually can't exactly match the way the Compadre can do it.
Come across some different size or type of tiny nails that might be separated by only a few degrees on that protractor, most detectors that can pick these similar but slightly different targets up at all would probably show them as the same thing and come in at exactly the same place using the disc knob, where the Compadre would be able to actually perceive these as the two different entities that they really are, and you might just have to move that disc knob ever so slightly to pick up each one separately

As much as I love my Vaq, and also my F2 which is pretty darn sensitive in its own right with the sniper coil mounted, I have never found as many super tiny mico sized targets or more importantly chains than I have with that Compadre.
Using a combination of My Vaq for extreme depth and great sensitivity even with, and especially, using. my new sniper coil, the Compadre for other worldly sensitivity to chains and most other targets, and my F2 which gives me a little of both depending on the coils I use and a screen just for a change of pace once in awhile, I truly believe I have the best of all worlds.

Using both the Compadre and the Silver would be a similar experience I would think.

Hmmm.... that's a lot of information and there are some answers here to a couple of questions I had not even gotten around to yet... such as what the heck is 180 ED.

Helps alot and I think that the Compadre will definately be coming here soon.

I watched a video showing a gold chain attached to a cardboard L shaped holder buried to 3.5 inches in what looked like dry white beach sand. Four detectors were used and only the Compadre failed to pick up the chain. Two Tesoros and two other brands... forget what they were. The compadre got nada... the guy did not show how it was adjusted so I'm not sure what was going on there... maybe the sand was mineralized.... anyway....

I am going to rename the Compadre to the Area51 Hunter. :please:
 
Deliveryboy.... do you remember if those targets the Compadre/Area51Hunter found good and the Silver not so good were teeny tiny objects... or were they actually coins?
 
@Tabmagnet it was a mixture, can slaw and clad mostly short hunt so the results are inconclusive.

BTW here is a simple video comparison I made of the 2 machines, a few of the results surprised me even. I don't know if my machines are still in tune but hopefully it helps a bit. I didn't have a nickel around the house and sorry for the DarthVader impersonation i have a bit of congestion so my breathing is a bit labored lol.

and yes I realize after watching it "Hard at about 2 inches" etc..."That's what she said" ;p
[video]http://youtu.be/k29Z76WByP0[/video]
 
deliveryboy said:
@Tabmagnet it was a mixture, can slaw and clad mostly short hunt so the results are inconclusive.

BTW here is a simple video comparison I made of the 2 machines, a few of the results surprised me even. I don't know if my machines are still in tune but hopefully it helps a bit. I didn't have a nickel around the house and sorry for the DarthVader impersonation i have a bit of congestion so my breathing is a bit labored lol.

and yes I realize after watching it "Hard at about 2 inches" etc..."That's what she said" ;p
[video]http://youtu.be/k29Z76WByP0[/video]

Great video! That helps alot. Seems like very little would escape between both of those machines. Very interesting in deed. :cheers:
 
TabMagnet said:
deliveryboy said:
@Tabmagnet it was a mixture, can slaw and clad mostly short hunt so the results are inconclusive.

BTW here is a simple video comparison I made of the 2 machines, a few of the results surprised me even. I don't know if my machines are still in tune but hopefully it helps a bit. I didn't have a nickel around the house and sorry for the DarthVader impersonation i have a bit of congestion so my breathing is a bit labored lol.

and yes I realize after watching it "Hard at about 2 inches" etc..."That's what she said" ;p
[video]http://youtu.be/k29Z76WByP0[/video]

Great video! That helps alot. Seems like very little would escape between both of those machines. Very interesting in deed. :cheers:

Thanks I finally found a non galvanized steel screw and it read the same as the galvanized nail...The Compadre picked it up on minimal discrimination and the Silver discriminated it out completely on lowest setting. This I feel shows what Reveir was stating with his protractor example, The Silver Discriminates the nail/screw out at a higher level than the Compadre did. (i.e if you turn the discrim knob on the Silver all the way left aka minimum, it would be equivalant to the Iron disc on the Compadre meaning you could turn the compadre back almost another notch lower in discrimination from what I can tell,

So basically the Silver's lowest discrimination mode setting is equal to the Compadres Iron mode which is one notch up from minimal, I assume the same on the higher end as well. I am actually learning alot from this experiment as well lol.

Was bored so I made this graphic to help explain.

fTKMZ3q.png
 
Revier: Why not just grab one of the other Tesoro machines with ED-180 circuitry, but that also have manual ground balance capabiliity (i.e., Eldorado or Bandido II uMAX)? That way you'd get Compadre-like sensitivity without having to open the machine up to tweak the internal pre-set ground balance.
 
deliveryboy said:
TabMagnet said:
deliveryboy said:
@Tabmagnet it was a mixture, can slaw and clad mostly short hunt so the results are inconclusive.

BTW here is a simple video comparison I made of the 2 machines, a few of the results surprised me even. I don't know if my machines are still in tune but hopefully it helps a bit. I didn't have a nickel around the house and sorry for the DarthVader impersonation i have a bit of congestion so my breathing is a bit labored lol.

and yes I realize after watching it "Hard at about 2 inches" etc..."That's what she said" ;p
[video]http://youtu.be/k29Z76WByP0[/video]

Great video! That helps alot. Seems like very little would escape between both of those machines. Very interesting in deed. :cheers:

Thanks I finally found a non galvanized steel screw and it read the same as the galvanized nail...The Compadre picked it up on minimal discrimination and the Silver discriminated it out completely on lowest setting. This I feel shows what Reveir was stating with his protractor example, The Silver Discriminates the nail/screw out at a higher level than the Compadre did. (i.e if you turn the discrim knob on the Silver all the way left aka minimum, it would be equivalant to the Iron disc on the Compadre meaning you could turn the compadre back almost another notch lower in discrimination from what I can tell,

So basically the Silver's lowest discrimination mode setting is equal to the Compadres Iron mode which is one notch up from minimal, I assume the same on the higher end as well. I am actually learning alot from this experiment as well lol.

Was bored so I made this graphic to help explain.

fTKMZ3q.png

Actually it helps me understand it better too. The theory part of discrimination with regards to different processors has always been fuzzy to me. This helps turn a light bulb on for an electronics challenged detectorist like myself. Now my brain is hurting a tad as I apply the logic to the targets in the field. :nerd: As I think on these things at 3 am instead of counting sheep.... sometimes it comes together. Will have a lot of experimenting to do when I finally get those two machines together. I certainly appreciate the time and effort here.... I'm sure it helps others as well.
 
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