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Compadre Discrimination and pin pointing

pkrska

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I just got my Compadre, it took 2 days to get it after ordering. Wow! And I'm in Canada and it came from the USA! Problem was I couldn't get the same price in Canada even though our dollar is doing better than the US currency. Still being ripped off here.

I wanted to know how the discrimination works. I noticed the first time out that I was hitting a target and I moved the discrim higher and found no change. So I dug. Got a piece of garbage metal.

I heard that it was real good a discriminating out iron. But what about normal metal, steel, etc. I guess those will always ring?

And I tried to pinpoint some targets and noticed that it's still in the hole. I guess that's why they came out with the pin pointers!?

Anyone got some tips when pinpointing? I tired the cross method. Up down. Side to side. Marked the X and dig out a plug. Nothing found in the dirt of the plug. Darn, either this thing is deep in there or I'm missing it. (Oh, did I mention that it was 2am in the morning! Anyone else do midnight hunting? I couldn't wait to try it in my neighbourhood park.

I got a lot of hits but only tried digging a few. All garbage.

I guess to be successful, you need to know where to metal detect that will produce good results. Researching....
 
Get yourself a bunch of trash, coins and gold jewelry and lay them out on the ground and test each to see where they discriminate out.

Practice pinpointing by laying a coin on the ground and "x" ing until you get it down pat.

Do yourself a big favor and get a Garrett Pro Pointer. It will make finding stuff a whole easier in the hole and plug after you pinpoint with the Compadre.

I'm not going to hunt without one. Period.

tabman
 
Hey pkrska
Everything Tabman says is spot on. One thing you'll find, in the day light, is the Compadre hits on some extremely small pieces of foil. You probably wont see them in poor light. One other thing, when it hits on a good target, it hits it hard! You'll soon know the difference between trash and treasure after a few hours of use. I just got mine two weeks ago. I'm having a blast! Great detector, accurate, excellent target resolution, deep enough for 90% of the coins and jewelry you'll probably come across. Just one more suggestion - if you want to increase your finds, make sure you are overlapping your coil swings by at least 30%. If it's not under your coil, you'll never know it's there.
 
mike5853 said:
Hey pkrska
Everything Tabman says is spot on. One thing you'll find, in the day light, is the Compadre hits on some extremely small pieces of foil. You probably wont see them in poor light. One other thing, when it hits on a good target, it hits it hard! You'll soon know the difference between trash and treasure after a few hours of use. I just got mine two weeks ago. I'm having a blast! Great detector, accurate, excellent target resolution, deep enough for 90% of the coins and jewelry you'll probably come across. Just one more suggestion - if you want to increase your finds, make sure you are overlapping your coil swings by at least 30%. If it's not under your coil, you'll never know it's there.

I noticed that I get good sound on objects but it was trash. Tried it out in the dark at 2am!!! Anyway, the thing I noticed most is that I can find the X marks the spor for the item but digging it out is a whole new ballgame. I made a nice plug, and it was still sound off in the hole! And I though it might be in the wall of the hole, but nope, it was still in the whole. I eventually pulled out a piece of metal that was squished together. The problem with deep items is that without a pinponter, your coil just tells you it's in the hole, but your coil does't fit in the whole!!! LOL
 
You can get an idea as to the depth by raising your coil above the ground until you stop getting a reading. Then see about how far it is from the Bottom of the coil to the ground. If your coil is say 5" above the ground then if it is a coin sized object it will most likely be down about 2'-3" below the ground as the Compadre is good to about 7" usually. If you get down 5"-6" and it is still deeper then it is most likely a squashed aluminum can or some other Large piece of metal. But a Pin Pointer will help to find items faster. Even a $17 Harbour Freight pointer will do the job for you.
 
I'vd tried the measuring method where you lift the coil. It was lifting a good 5-7" already. So I assumed it must be close to the surface. Nope it wasn't or I didn't seem to be after all that digging. Plugged the whole back up pretty good. No evidence it was ever there!

I've seen someone use a magnet for junk items too. They seem to jump out of the ground. No need for digging if it's shallow enough to the surface.
 
pkrska said:
mike5853 said:
Hey pkrska
Everything Tabman says is spot on. One thing you'll find, in the day light, is the Compadre hits on some extremely small pieces of foil. You probably wont see them in poor light. One other thing, when it hits on a good target, it hits it hard! You'll soon know the difference between trash and treasure after a few hours of use. I just got mine two weeks ago. I'm having a blast! Great detector, accurate, excellent target resolution, deep enough for 90% of the coins and jewelry you'll probably come across. Just one more suggestion - if you want to increase your finds, make sure you are overlapping your coil swings by at least 30%. If it's not under your coil, you'll never know it's there.

I noticed that I get good sound on objects but it was trash. Tried it out in the dark at 2am!!! Anyway, the thing I noticed most is that I can find the X marks the spor for the item but digging it out is a whole new ballgame. I made a nice plug, and it was still sound off in the hole! And I though it might be in the wall of the hole, but nope, it was still in the whole. I eventually pulled out a piece of metal that was squished together. The problem with deep items is that without a pinponter, your coil just tells you it's in the hole, but your coil does't fit in the whole!!! LOL

Yes, there are some trash items that will sound like coins. The squashed can you pulled out is common in parks. So here's a couple things you can do. First you can tell by "sizing the target" how big it is. Your every day coins will be tight. Also, I know that my "C" can detect coins and rings (for the most part) no deeper then say, 6 - 7 inches, so when I get a good signal I raise the coil to get an idea of depth. If I can raise the coil say 5 inches and the beeping stops, I know the target is an inch, inch and a half down. If I'm still digging at 3 - 4 inches and still getting strong beep,or not getting a hit with my pin-pointer, I know it's something not only bigger but much deeper as well. With all that said, if there ever was a beep 'n dig metal detector, the Compadre is it. I set my disc to the "o" in iron, as advised but some of the Compadre guru's here on this forum, and never move it. If I get a good solid beep in both directions, I dig it. Like Tabman said, get a Garrett Pro Pointer. A good pin-pointer is a must.
 
This is the way I do it and I won first place in a speed hunt competition. The Compadre is so fast that when the center of the searchcoil is over of the target it immediately beeps. FREEZE your eyes on the spot on the ground where it beeped. You may have to do this 2-3 times when getting used to it. Part of it has to do with the fact that when the target first enters the searchcoil windings, it begins the signal but it's in the center by the time you hear it because of time lapse of the motion machine. Now if the searchcoil is a little high or low from the center the beep will be weaker and you may have to come back an inch or two lower or higher so that the signal is stronger and then freeze at this spot. I have pinpointed bb size objects with a slower sweep speed using this. In other words, I could probably check out a pinpointer with my Compadre! It usually takes me the second sweep to pinpoint for me.
 
I notice that the Compadre coil sometimes registers a beep at the side of the coil. Then I get a good beep centering it. I sometimes go North South, East West to find the X spot. Sometimes it give a reading of a larger area. Beeping at the X point and beyond. I take it that's not a coin! I've dug and found nothing but then again it was getting deep and I did not want to dig any further. Couldn't see anything within the dirt itself. I know, I KNOW, pinpointer needed!!!
 
I went on a trash hunt last Sunday with my new Compadre.

The disc is so good, so razor sharp, that I was hoping there was a way to figure out trash signals better than I could on my other detectors.
My Vaq is good, this one seems a little better.

So I went looking for trash.

Headed to a very trashy park where there hasn't been a garbage can in many of the older areas for about 90 years.
That's the way it seems to me, anyway.

When I have to clean out 15 pop tops, beaver tails, can slaw, foil and other trash shallow and down to 3-4 inches deep in sometimes a one foot square area just to clean out a space to ground balance my Vaquero, that's pretty trashy.

The object of this hunt was to see if I could figure out if I was swinging over trash or treasure by using this beautiful machine, and use every trick I have learned in my short time in this great hobby.

Throughout the hunt, I dug up a lot of trash...and I did learn some things.

Just like on my Vaquero and even on my F2, I learned that coins have a distinct sound.
Rounded and fully formed.
Hard to explain, but they ring out loud and the tone seems to continue on a little further, further than a pull tab or other trash.

If I was new with this I could not tell the difference, but thousands of signals I have listened to with my Vaquero have given me a few new skills I did not have when I started.
When we tell you newbies you have to put in the hours to learn the language, this is one of the things we mean.
I am by no means fluent in the Tesoro language, it's gonna take much more time and hundreds more hours for me to even begin to think I am, but I can tell the difference in many types of tones that I could not in the past.

So I know that coins hit hard and in this hunt I could usually tell instinctly I had a good coin signal at first swing or two.
Sometimes, I did have a pretty good signal from other trash targets and the object of this exercise is to see if I could figure out the trash, so I tried a few other things on most of the signals I dug in this hunt.

First, I hit all signals from different angles...at least two.
On coin targets I got a solid repeating tone, always.
On some trash signals like a folded over beaver tail pull tabs, too.
And larger solid trash pieces, also.
Some signals did not repeat from a different angle, or broke up bad and some even went away, totally.
Every target that did not hit from all angles was trash...today.
Just to let you newbies know, this is not always the case.
Sometimes good targets act like this too.
Most times not, but once in a while they do.

Obvious lesson one...a lot of trash targets don't repeat from all angles.

Second thing I did on all signals was shake the coil, whipping it at different speeds and up to warp 2, or as fast as I could, anyway.
The construction is very solid on Tesoro's, and this is a very light unit so I could whip it pretty fast.

The object here was to see if I could get the signal to break up, or if I got a solid beep every time the coil passsed over the target.
The quick recovery on this one can give you a pretty good idea if you found some kinds of trash because a lot of it did break up when I did this.
Small pieces of foil and can slaw did it most times, pieces of beaver tails broke most of the time, a large amount of pop tops did too.
Flattened older pop tops usually did not, folded over beaver tails usually didn't either.
They look and act exactly like coins to most detectors if we are just going by sound.
Also large pieces stayed solid, like sterno cans and other large trash like big mouth screw on tops.
As a matter of fact, aluminum and zinc screw on tops gave me fits all day.
I hate those things!
Not quite a fully rounded signal as a coin, but close.
Some kinds of this trash did break if I hit it from different angles, though, like older steel caps.
Coins never broke up no matter how hard I whipped or from any angle.

Lesson two...coins stayed solid no matter how fast I whipped, a lot of trash did not.

Keep in mind after analyzing every signal I dug every one to see.
The proof is in the pic below.

Now these first two lessons I already knew, most of us do.
I did find out that these techniques really work on this unit...a little bit better than my others.

The Vaq is close, but the standard coil is bigger than the 7 inch on this one and my 10x12 DD coil, well, that's a whole new ball game using that one, too.
There is something to be said for, and an advantage to, using smaller coils, I am quickly learning.
I assume the 5.75" coil on the newer Compadres might be even better at these things.


This next lesson was the real reason I went on this trash hunt.
The discriminator!

The compadre and my Vaq are from the same company, but they are not built the same.
Different frequencies, which is not a big deal, and discriminator circuits, which might be a bigger deal.

Test number three that I did on all targets...thumb that disc!
Up, down, constantly on every signal and several times, too.

Most of you know, or should, that Tesoros and I assume other detectors that use a disc knob, will be more accurate if you turn the knob past the fade out point of the target and dial back down to see where the signal comes in.
I belive most directions and manuals say dial up till you lose the signal, but nothing else.

The compadre manual is pretty simple and really does not mention any of this at all.
Somebody ought to rewrite that thing and give people a little more info, I think.

Well the good news here is that I think I discovered a few things while getting a sore thumb turning that disc all day.
Coins do not seem to break up very much at all when you bring that dial down and they come in.
I am talking about copper, zinc and nickels of course, because dimes and quarters will not disc out.
Every coin I found the unit was silent till I got to the, I guess we'll call it, "entry point".
Silent, silent, silent then bam...a solid signal!
There might have been a little breaking on a few but I don't remember any, and if there was it was so short that I really didn't take notice.
Trash was a different story.
A ton of my trash broke up going up and coming down.
Not all of it, most of those stupid screw caps did not, and some other coin looking trash like those folded beaver tails, again, but most of the other stuff did.
I am thrilled about this.
I have been a dig it all hunter since I started and I am always going to dig a lot because in this business you just never know, but I also dig most everything because I always get that, "what if", nagging feeling when I leave a target in the ground.
By using all these techniques I am hoping I can read these signals and get enough info to confidently walk away from some that in my heart of hearts I KNOW is trash.

I went out on another hunt today at the same site, and practiced all of this again and dug lots more trash.
I listened closely to the tones, whipped the coil, played with the disc knob and listened not only for the break but what kind of break and how it broke, and I am glad to report that all the signals that I thought were trash today were trash, and the few coins I came across I recognized as a good target before I dug it.
There were several signals that I wasn't 100% sure of, even by doing all of this, but I did have a good suspicion and I was proven right most of the time.

I am not an expert, far from it, but I think I have a good start on getting a handle on using this fine detector and maybe I can concentrate less on digging every blasted signal I come across and spend a little more time learning ways of recognizing the difference between good and bad, even the iffy ones.
I want to get good at this...Tabdog good, and dig more good targets and less bad ones.
I have a long way to go, but I believe I am on the right road.

I learn by doing, and the best way to learn about trash is to dig trash.
A picture is worth a thousand words, and if you look at the pic, for me, learning is worth digging a ton of trash.
I learned a bunch...it was worth it!

Hope this helps.

HH
 
Some great advice has been given above . No matter how much you spend on a detector,, you will STILL dig some trash. Experience , luck, && the detector help eliminate most of it. Another way for a beginner to help with pinpointing . Get a large piece of cardboard, like from a refridgerator, etc. Have someone ELSE , [ so you don't know locations ] tape various small items on one side a foot or so apart . Penny, nickle dime, quarter, VERY small piece of junk gold, pull-tab, foil, etc, etc. , place it , taped objects down in an area of your yard that is clean of other targets. Sweep coil at a fairly slow speed over the cardboard , & try to pinpoint by criss-crossing the target for the VERY BEST SOLID SHARP sound. Poke a hole in the cardboard with a nail , & flip the cardboard up to see how close you are in pinpointing. You can later use the same method for trying to set the dial & discriminate / identify items. PRACTICE. Did I mention to PRACTICE !
To dig & find the item after pinpointing + without a pinpointer ,, use a small shovel & dig a 6" round plug . Place dirt on a mat/towel & sort thru it a handful at a time. A Garrett Pro Pointer is a great item to have.
NOTE, on my Compadre , I can find tiny pieces of gold jewelry with it set directly at the " R " in IRON .
I my opinion, the Compadre is a bargain ! GREAT warranty, & you can use it for a couple of years, & just about get your money back if you sell it. You canot do that with many other detectors .
 
I have found out that by using a low disc.(iron) setting and listening to the audio of my Compadre, I don't need to 'thumb' the disc. I just dig good sounding signals, and with the higher disc. settings the depth of detection drops considerably. Location is more important, go where the good stuff has a good chance of being there.
 
Some VERY good info about our beloved Compadre here :)
 
I took my Compadre out for a swing today. It's just a joy to use. :thumbup:

Everyone should have a Tesoro Compadre in their arsenal.

tabman
 
Hombre said:
I have found out that by using a low disc.(iron) setting and listening to the audio of my Compadre, I don't need to 'thumb' the disc. I just dig good sounding signals, and with the higher disc. settings the depth of detection drops considerably. Location is more important, go where the good stuff has a good chance of being there.
I only make one exception- in fairly trashy areas I sent it where the small foil just breaks up.
 
One thing I notice is that most people are metal detecting in parks and tot lots where most trash would be. But what if your out and about in an old historic place. Would all metal mode be prefered since you won't know what to find? Or does iron also need to be discrimminated out so as not to find iron junk?
 
is always better for not missing any targets within range of the detector your using..... Disc is just a tool for your requirements
 
So I should be in all metal mode all the time and discrim only to see if it's iron, and dig all beeps after that?
 
pkrska said:
So I should be in all metal mode all the time and discrim only to see if it's iron, and dig all beeps after that?

I guess you'll get varying opinions, but I set my disc to the "o" in iron and never really move it. I'll size the target, listen for a good repeatable beep - no chopping or signal break-up and if it's sounds like a winner I'll dig it. But, to be honest, the "what if's" and curiosity usually gets the better of me and I wind up digging pretty much everything anyway. You never know.
 
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