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Compadre and Silver uMax audio ID

kregh

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Hey folks -

I only have experience with the Tesoro Cibola - which has some audio id (crackling and popping when discrim kicks in), then there is the all great "solid repeatable tone".

- The popping and cracking are great indicators and so are the solid repeatable tones.

My question is - do the compadre or Silver uMax have any other tones other than what I just described?

Do any of the tesoro models have anything other than the pop/crackle, solid tone?

Dont get me wrong - the pop/crackle/solid tone combo works great - but I keep reading about "listen to the subtle differences to understand what the detector is telling you" - just for fun - I actually used a audio spectrum analyzer on my smart phone for those "subtle differences" - and neither me or the spectrum analyzer are hearing/seeing any subtleties - so maybe the Cibola doesn't have a lot (and yes - I have tried different threshold settings (threshold on the cibloa is about 12-1 o'clock position - and it works great for getting the feel for depth. Again - just wondering if any of the other Tesoro's offer and little more in the way of audio ID.

Thanks
 
This is all you get, before you decide to dig or not dig. :)

tabman

Tesoro Silver uMax Audio Response On Different Targets - Discrimination Set At 'iron'.
Notice how the audio changes when I raise the coil as I sweep over the different targets.
Target Order
1) Can Slaw
2) Foil Sports Drink Cap
3) Dime
4) Quarter
5) Small Silver Ring
6) Larger Silver Ring
7) Medium 14K Gold Wedding Band

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt4V8G6KVeI&feature=player_detailpage
 
The differences are very subtle. After many hours with your machine, one day you'll mentally think that signal is most likely a quarter and sure enough, it will be. I've seen all sorts of attempts to describe the sound - sweet sound of sliver - nice round sound etc. but from my own experience I couldn't describe it so that you'd immediately recoginize it. nor could I hear it for quite a while, but with time you will learn to. Combined with thumbing the discrimination knob, you can get to where your accuracy on targets will be surprisingly good. Especially coin versus trash.
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The Silver UMax audio is just as you described for your Cibola. You get the pop and crackle during disc. and a nice tone for a solid hit.
 
I think that was th first time I have seen that demonstration. I will have to try it on my Outlaw and Compadre and see if I get similar results. Thanks for the video.
 
Ok.. so I thought it would be an interesting experiment to create a poor man's VDI with Tesoro.

Basically - download a audio spectrum analyzer - hold your smartphone near the speaker - swing at a few targets - notice the changes on the spectrum analyzer - and viola! poor mans VDI

Take it a step further and write some software to compare the spectrum analyzer images of the target you just swung at - at you got yourself a real VDI. But.. there would have to be slightly more audio changes that Tesoro produces for this concept to become effective.

Why do this? To get a visual representation for what you are hearing - combine the two - and you a a fairly powerful method for ID'ing targets - or at least make a better decision to dig or not. If your hearing isn't so hot (like mine) - then this would be a useful tool. Or if your deaf or seriously hearing impaired - go completely visual.

Build a harness to hold your smartphone on top of the Tesoro control box, place a dual jack plug - one for headphones - one to plug directly into the smartphone, download the app .. and go..
 
I have tried to explain some differences I hear a few times but it is a hard thing to do when you are talking about anything but those "crackles, scratches or spits" when I dial in a target.
I have only been hunting for a short 3 years, exclusively with a Vaquero in the beginning and then eventually with a Compadre.
At first every sound on the Vaq was the same, I could hear no difference in anything as far as form, tone, volume or nuances...but over time that eventually changed.

I am nowhere near as good as many of the veterans that have way more time in this than me, but I have noticed a few things.

Good targets like coins will usually have a nice full sound and a sharp end at the end of the tone, most jewelry, too.
I have read of some finding gold rings and it was an iffy, scratchy sound in the tone, but I myself have gotten a solid dig me tone on every gold or silver ring or any kind of chain that I can remember.
None were very deep, however.

Even though some trash like tabs or coin shaped foil or can slaw might come in as a solid coin sounding tone with a sharp end if they are shallow or laying flat instead of at an angle, most of the time I can tell I am swinging over trash in 2 ways...
I always dial up past the fade out point and then down slowly to listen how the target comes in.
For me and my 2 detectors I have found this is just a way more accurate way to guess what the target might be when I look at the final position of that knob, and more importantly most good targets will actually be scratchy before they become whole versus trash that will usually not just come in immediately solid like a good target will.
I am usually a dig it all kind of hunter and check every target like this before I dig so this is no theory to me...this is a fact...mostly.
The second thing is that most of this kind of trash will sound different to me when it is solid.
More "tinny and bright" which is actually a quite annoying sound to me when I hear it, but a very good indication I am swinging over trash.
Good targets are fuller, have that sharp end and never have that bright sound in that tone.

Big iron will have a very loud, long and smooth sound, actually pleasant to the ears but the length gives me a clue and if that target is big it will go on as I paint the area by moving the coil slowly.
Smaller ring an coin targets are much shorter in duration.

Large cans, especially shallow ones but sometimes not so shallow are louder, louder than a coin or ring, and also could have that bright sound in that tone.but it is usually the volume that gives me a better clue.
At first I could hear no volume differences between any targets big or small, or shallow or deep...but I have learned there is a difference over time.

The greatest thing I have ever heard is the sound of big gold and I know there is a difference on the sound that these make on a Tesoro.

I have been lucky enough to find 3 very large class rings in my time, one with my F2, one with my Compadre and one with my Vaq.
Several smaller gold rings too, with all my detectors, and even though each of these was a solid, clear dig me signal on every one for the life of me I have not yet learned or have heard the difference between these smaller gold rings and any other good target like a coin...but those big gold ones were different.
I found the first one with my F2 and all I can remember that it was a nice solid zinc signal that I dug but was not zinc.
The second was found with my Compadre and I do remember that even though this faded out at zinc level like a common zincoln, there was something a little different in this sound.
The third one was dug while I was swinging my Vaq and a DD coil and this one I remember like it just happened 10 seconds ago.
Another zinc signal, dialed out at zinc like a zincoln but by this time I could hear that this tone was so rich and so clear and rang so true like the highest quality bell sound I have ever heard that I do remember stopping dead in my tracks for a moment before I dug it...it was so distinct.
THAT sound has now become part of my DNA, it is burned into my brain and I can tell you it is the sweetest sound you will ever hear and totally addicting.
I want to hear that sound again in my lifetime, many more times, really, and that sound is "The One" that I listen for on every hunt and every time I go out.
If I am lucky I will hear it again, someday.

Many of us can hear the sound of a silver coin dropped on a hard surface and can pick it out even if dropped with many other clad coins.
I believe this is innate, an ability that most of us are born with and something you don't have to learn.

All of this other stuff is not innate, they are all learned abilities that show up when you have put in enough time and listened to enough signals and have dug enough targets to associate these specific sounds with those targets...but they can be learned by most people over time.
Time and after a whole lot of digging.
 
The Compadre is a "smooth talker" until you get the dial above iron. It will still "click" on iron nails, but the canslaw, foil, and ""iffy" targets start getting closer to the Silver umax's "trash talk" as you leave the iron disc.
 
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