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shorty2

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Question, Other than size why would different coils be better than others? Like, why would a NEL be better than a S.E.F. the same size ? If they are all double D coils would they not all be the same>? Do some have more windings than others? Shorty2
 
Good question.

First of all I would think the ac impedance of the coil has to match the impedance of the detector's transmitter/receiver to get maximum power transfer to and from the coil. Enter FBS with 28 frequencies of bandwidth. Also the energy to and from the target is not necessarily a pure sine wave, in fact its likely pulse or other complex waveforms which can tend to complicate a maximum efficiency coil design.

Other factors which could affect coil efficiency are;
the core size and material,
number of windings,
winding DC impedance,
winding inductance,
capacitive component of winding/cable,
winding wire guage,
the coax cable shielding quality (copper or aluminum wrap shielding),
the coax cable impedance itself (at frequency bandwidth),
quality of coax connector (gold plate),
quality of electrical connection from cable to windings,
geometric shape of coil,
positioning of the D coils relative to one another,
and possible shielding internally in the coil are what i can think of off the top of my head.

My guess because of the complexity of energy to and from the coil and all the above factors, there could be a lot of imperical tweaking to get the maximum efficiency out of a coil. Probably one of the most important factors is the ability of the coil and cable to be immune or shield against environmental EMI radiation. The receive voltage from target eddy currents to the control box is tiny enough that any external EMI could raise the receive signal's noise floor resulting in a degradation of the signal/noise ratio.

Edit:
Wanted to add that the ctx 3030 has an edge over the eTRAC because of FBS-2 and its smart coil. The FBS-2 coil digitally processes those tiny target eddy currents right at the coil. That now higher voltage digital data which is much less affected by external EMI is sent to the control box.
In the case of the eTRAC and most other detectors, those tiny target analog signals are sent up the cable to be processed in the control box.
 
WOW! Thank you ironsight, there is a lot of information to sort through. I have a lot of coils for my detectors made by different manf, I just couldn't figure out how they could be different if they were the same size. I personally find that most coils made for the e-trac by size are the same. I have bought different brand names to compare but haven't found no real advantage in one over the other. Smaller coils work better in heavy trash, larger coils cover more ground and maybe give a little more depth. I can see by your explanation that there could be a lot of difference. I will spend more time and experiment and see if I can pick up on one verse the other. Thank You. Shorty2
 
just my two cents worth, that is why I love Coiltek Coils, they are the only one Minelab gives data to for them to make coils, Coiltek used to make the ML coils before ML started making their own, all the others basically pirate their technology
 
Just returned from a trip using the SunRay stealth X-12. Using TTF, found this coil very hard to pinpoint with, depth and stability were O.K. nothing great. Tomorrow another coil.
 
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