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Coils for high trash and better separation

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TrpnBils

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Right now I'm going on about a year and a half with my Etrac and I have the stock coil for everyday hunting conditions and then the 6" Coiltek Treasureseeker for high iron. I've done well with the 6" coil, but is there something available out there that separates better than that for the Etrac? I've never really given coils much thought before, but I'm considering either changing over to the CTX in the spring or possibly pimping out my Etrac with the 13" ultimate and something better for high trash and high iron if I can get something better than what I already have.

What do you all think?
 
My experience in the larger than stock department is that the 13" is only a slight if any improvement over stock and the 15" WOT is a better choice for a coverage increase. I preferred the NEL Hunter to the ultimate as it seems to give as much depth and the same coverage with a little bit better separation. As far as small coils go, I don't see much difference in any of the 6" size but I use the 4.5 x 7 excellerator in tight trash for a bit more coverage and because I am partial to elliptical coils anyway. My go to coil has become the NEL Sharpshooter instead of the stock mainly for ergonomics and because most of my hunting involves moderate to heavy modern trash,
 
TrpnBils,

You should try a 6X8 SEF coil which is very good around iron and trashy areas. It is not too small and basically considered a midsize coil. I really like the Sun Ray X5 coil for extremely trashy infested areas as it is excellent at separation and depth . The E-Trac is an overall excellent coin seeking machine, however you seem to be very interested in the CTX ..... so buy the darn thing and do your own comparisons and sell the one that doesn't meet your standards.
 
roadapple said:
The E-Trac is an overall excellent coin seeking machine, however you seem to be very interested in the CTX ..... so buy the darn thing and do your own comparisons and sell the one that doesn't meet your standards.
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Just weighing some options...
 
This year I used the stock coil and the 4.5 x 7 for junkier sites. That small coil is very comparable to the sunray x-5 but I found I liked swinging the elliptical
coil better for coverage purposes. I also used the NEL attack 15 inch coil for open / deep targets. The ultimate 13 is a very good coil which will hit slightly harder on deep coins in certain cases vs the stock coil. The stock coil is extremely hard to top.
A few years ago I bought and tried the CTX and used it pretty solid for over a month. It was a very good detector but I felt it didn't gain me anything over the Etrac except being waterproof and more bells and whistles so I sold it back. I couldn't find a coin that I wouldn't have pulled with the Etrac which was the bottom line for me.
 
floodplaindetector said:
This year I used the stock coil and the 4.5 x 7 for junkier sites. That small coil is very comparable to the sunray x-5 but I found I liked swinging the elliptical
coil better for coverage purposes. I also used the NEL attack 15 inch coil for open / deep targets. The ultimate 13 is a very good coil which will hit slightly harder on deep coins in certain cases vs the stock coil. The stock coil is extremely hard to top.
A few years ago I bought and tried the CTX and used it pretty solid for over a month. It was a very good detector but I felt it didn't gain me anything over the Etrac except being waterproof and more bells and whistles so I sold it back. I couldn't find a coin that I wouldn't have pulled with the Etrac which was the bottom line for me.
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Couldn't agree more!:thumbup:

Iowa Dale
 
I have been using a 6x8 SEF for over 6 years and it works very well in trashy environments for a mid size coil. It gives you nearly the depth of the pro-coil with great separation and ID. It is nearly as heavy as the pro-coil though, so you won't be lightening the machine much.

One of my hunting buddies swears by his Sunray 8" coil and I have seen him do very well with it. It is a little lighter than the 6x8 so it comes down to personal preference.

I also have a 6" Excellerator and 5" Stealth that both work well in really trashy areas and give pretty good depth for their size.

I have a 13" Ultimate and it works very well when you want to cover a little more ground and trash density isn't too heavy. It gives good depth and separation. I actually use my pro coil more than the ultimate.

I borrowed the 15" WOT from a friend for beach hunting and it makes the machine too nose heavy for me.

I hope my input helps.
 
Tenspeed said:
I have been using a 6x8 SEF for over 6 years and it works very well in trashy environments for a mid size coil. It gives you nearly the depth of the pro-coil with great separation and ID. It is nearly as heavy as the pro-coil though, so you won't be lightening the machine much.

One of my hunting buddies swears by his Sunray 8" coil and I have seen him do very well with it. It is a little lighter than the 6x8 so it comes down to personal preference.

I also have a 6" Excellerator and 5" Stealth that both work well in really trashy areas and give pretty good depth for their size.

I have a 13" Ultimate and it works very well when you want to cover a little more ground and trash density isn't too heavy. It gives good depth and separation. I actually use my pro coil more than the ultimate.

I borrowed the 15" WOT from a friend for beach hunting and it makes the machine too nose heavy for me.

I hope my input helps.
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A lot to consider there - you've been around the block! I appreciate it!
 
IMO. CTX is getting old. If one drops the cash on one and a new release hits the streets.

CTXs will be a dime a dozen, expect percentage/$$$ wise for them to take a much larger hit than etracs.
 
squirrel1 said:
IMO. CTX is getting old. If one drops the cash on one and a new release hits the streets.

CTXs will be a dime a dozen, expect percentage/$$$ wise for them to take a much larger hit than etracs.
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That's a good point... wasn't the Deus like $2000 or so when it was released?
 
I think it's a bit comical calliing the CTX old when it's been only been around for about 5 years if that but we do live in a throw away society.
The Deus has come down in price because the dollar has gained 30% in value since it's introduction.
 
Not comical at all. Actually I wouldn't usually make such a statement, but looking at repair support on past releases by Minelab---It would seem support for the CTX is likely
To disappear sooner than later.
 
squirrel1 said:
Not comical at all. Actually I wouldn't usually make such a statement, but looking at repair support on past releases by Minelab---It would seem support for the CTX is likely
To disappear sooner than later.
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Okay , let's revisit the subject in about another 5 years :)
 
see, I took "old" to mean "not the new, shiny thing everybody went nuts over when it first came out"....as in, the few flaws it does have (high coil price, etc) are being noticed and are starting to become reasons people don't buy it. Of course sheer age doesn't really have anything to do with how well it will perform....an Etrac or any other machine, barring any defects from wear-and-tear will find stuff just as well at 10 years old as it will brand new. It's not like the technology dumbs-down over time, but I think the hype becomes more realistic.
 
I hunt with small coils at least 75% of the time.
Some of the most popular small coils for isolating good targets in heavy iron with the E-Trac are ...

( just a list - no particular order)

(1) - 4 1/2" x 7" Excelerator Coil - ( hands down - the best coil out there for getting into tight spots)
(2) - 6" EQ 2 Coil - ( hits a little deeper than the 4 1/2" x 7" - used mine for well over 1000 hrs. - dug a lot 7" Dimes and a Large Cent at 8" + )
(3) - 5 1/2" - SunRay Stealth X-5 Coil - ( never owned one - but I've never heard anything but the very best about this coil ).
 
E-TRAC-OHIO said:
I hunt with small coils at least 75% of the time.
Some of the most popular small coils for isolating good targets in heavy iron with the E-Trac are ...

( just a list - no particular order)

(1) - 4 1/2" x 7" Excelerator Coil - ( hands down - the best coil out there for getting into tight spots)
(2) - 6" EQ 2 Coil - ( hits a little deeper than the 4 1/2" x 7" - used mine for well over 1000 hrs. - dug a lot 7" Dimes and a Large Cent at 8" + )
(3) - 5 1/2" - SunRay Stealth X-5 Coil - ( never owned one - but I've never heard anything but the very best about this coil ).
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I'm not real familiar with the 4 1/2 x 7" coil there but it's one thing I keep wondering about. How would something like that compare to a 6" DD coil. This is a stupid question, but I see 4 1/2" and think it might work better because it's a smaller diameter, but the 7" direction is bigger obviously. I'm wondering if/how that would work better than a 6" coil for tight spaces.....does that make sense what I'm asking there? It does in my head but seeing it typed out it doesn't...haha
 
In reality the difference is as much psychological as physical and the separation/depth differences may be as much a factor of swing speed as anything else.
I like the elliptical because it "points" to the target better and seems to have a tighter footprint but ......:shrug:. There's very little difference in their ability in tight places.
You should check the VDI on the 4.5 x 7 in different frequency channels for the numbers you're expecting. Higher channels seem to throw out higher VDI numbers for some reason.
 
Yes, I agree - the 4.5 x 7 coils target ID number tend to run one and sometimes even two numbers higher than other coils.
Also - from what I've read - the width of a coil - (not the length if your using an elliptical type) determines the depth.
If so - that's why a 6" EQ 2 coil would hit deeper than a 4.5" x 7" coil.
 
I use minelabs fbs800 coil and have found dimes at over 8 inches set up running at higher sensitivity. (25+)

I have not used any butterfly coils but someone I know does and he likes it very well and has dug dimes in the same range and reports they had great tone.
 
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