Coil wire winding direction...

[Wooden Nickel]

OK, here's one for all you smart people out there.

I have a new Tejon coming Monday.

I will have to put it together, of course.:clsoedeyes:

Being new to this addiction ( I can sense that already ), does it make any difference which way one winds the coil wire around the shaft, before connecting it to the box?

Clockwise? Counter-clockwise? Looking from which end?

Should the Coriolis effect or some other obscure scientific phenomena be taken into consideration?

I like to take everything into consideration ahead of time, if possible.

Then again, maybe the manual will tell me.

OK, you say, just take it and use it!!!

I will [size=x-small](after I figure out how it works)[/size].

Thanks,

mike.....

 

[Heelgrasper]

Absolutly no difference.

 

[WV62]

Just try to make sure you don't put the wire in a bind on either end. Keep in mind that the coil pivots and can pull or bend the cable, either can cause problems. When attaching the cable to the control box try to make that a straight shot.

My brother Mark doesn't wind his cable, he runs it up the shaft and uses ties and then does a few roles up close to the control box with the connector going pretty much straight in the control box and ties the role to the shaft. If he picks up this tread he may post a picture.

Ron in WV

 

[Rob (IL)]

The only difference is the cable should go over the top of the rod as it leaves the coil to prevent binding. So depending on the coil it might be wound different for different coils.

 

[MarkCZ]

Well, its different, but!
Its less stress on the cable,
and it don't turn it into a coiled phone cord.
I make one flex loop off the coil around the back of the shaft so that the cable doesn't bend coming out of the coil, then I run the cable straight up the shaft. Then at a point just in front of the control box I roll the cable into a couple of loops sort of like a hank. I wrap the loop in a way that gives a good line into the connector. (be sure the length of the staff is adjusted first).

In the end you will have what I coined "Hank Style" coil wrap, No it wasn't my idea, I just named it.

After a coil cable has been wrapped around the shaft in the normal fashion, when its removed its a disaster! its kinked up and is just a mess when you try and switch coils. The tight turns or coils is not at all good for the wires or especially the shielding. The one picture of the coiled up cable was taken before I did it up "Hank Style" The hank in that cable took like five nylon ties to keep it from getting tangled up and going every which way.
My Coinstrike cable is a very long cable made for body mounting the control box, man what a mess that cable was when I unwrapped it, it looked like a large black slinky that somebody let a three year old play with for a few days.

I bet I get some kick back on this post!

Here you go!

Mark

 

[MarkCZ]

The detectors in my first post with the hank style coil wrap were the long cabled ones, it works for short cables as well.

And NO, nothing is left to flop around!

Mark

 

[BarberBill]

I always leave some slack at the coil end and move the coil to the extreme in both directions making sure there's enough slack to avoid over stressing the coil connection. Then loop the cord on up the shaft until I can connect to the box with a more or less straight shot.
BB

 

[MarkCZ]

One area of concern for me in any coil wrap is coming off the coil, some have the idea that the coil has to be fastened tight shaft as soon as it can be, I've bought a couple of used detector that was done that way and for the coil to move it actually has to bend and stratch the cable.

Coming off the coil is what I call the "starter loop" and I could explain how I do it and the reasons I like doing the way I do, but I figure pictures would be better, a movie would be even better but I don't have a youtube account and its just easier to do pictures.

In the below pictures you can see how the starter loop gives the cable enough lead to create a flex over maybe 5" inches or so of cable instead of a bend, this is much better for cable life.

The starter loop is the same for the hank style or shaft wrap. Now on all my coils the cable comes out better for the starter loop to wrap around the back of the shaft, on some coils it may be better for the starter loop to wrap around the front of the shaft??? In any case its much easier to do with a new coil cable rather than one that has been done wrong and is all kinked up and wants to do something other than what you want to do.

Mark

 

[Wooden Nickel]

Wow!

As usual the help rolls in after the question is asked.

Ain't this a great forum!!!

I appreciate all the ideas and pictures. And I especially to you Mark for the time you took to make and post all those pics.

New unit will be here tomorrow, so don't expect me to do any posting tomorrow evening.

Thanks again.

mike.....

 

[WV62]

And you thought you were going to get a simple left or right wind.

Ron in WV

 

[MarkCZ]

OK, here's one for all you smart people out there.

I have a new Tejon coming Monday.

I will have to put it together, of course.:clsoedeyes:

Being new to this addiction ( I can sense that already ), does it make any difference which way one winds the coil wire around the shaft, before connecting it to the box?

Clockwise? Counter-clockwise? Looking from which end?

Should the Coriolis effect or some other obscure scientific phenomena be taken into consideration?

I like to take everything into consideration ahead of time, if possible.

Then again, maybe the manual will tell me.

OK, you say, just take it and use it!!!

I will [size=x-small](after I figure out how it works)[/size].

Thanks,

mike.....

I figured you would have downloaded the manual even before you ordered the detector.
Here is the link to the Tejon manual, but it doesn't state much about the coil wrap other than not to leave no more slack in the cable at the coil then for the coil's need for movement and don't leave enough to flop around above the coil becuse the movement of metal wires could be picked up by the detector and cause the unit to report false signals.

http://www.tesoro.com/info/manuals/current/tejon/

Mark

 

[Wooden Nickel]

Mark,

I did download and print the manual (I despise going over manuals, etc., on a screen), but haven't made it all the way through it yet. I usually make my decisions on reviews and user comments. Manuals can tell you how to use the machine, but people tell you how easy or hard it is to use, and add the little things that are "nice to know."

Thanks again for the pictures. I like the way you rig it next to the box - straight in. And the velcro straps are a good idea in case one wants to change coils.

Where did you get the velcro straps, or did you use stock velcro? I have seen them but can't remember where.

Thanks all.

mike.....

 

[MarkCZ]

Mark,

I did download and print the manual (I despise going over manuals, etc., on a screen), but haven't made it all the way through it yet. I usually make my decisions on reviews and user comments. Manuals can tell you how to use the machine, but people tell you how easy or hard it is to use, and add the little things that are "nice to know."

Thanks again for the pictures. I like the way you rig it next to the box - straight in. And the velcro straps are a good idea in case one wants to change coils.

Where did you get the velcro straps, or did you use stock velcro? I have seen them but can't remember where.

Thanks all.

mike.....

Lowes has the ones I like best, they have a slip through slot on one end and come in a package of like ten (electrical department) but Harbor freight has what you seen in my pictures, its a roll of Velcro tape.

http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?q=Velcro+roll

Mark