Cody why did you delete my post?

[Charles (Upstate NY)]

I find your moderating skills to be lacking in fairness. You allow Matt's post (is that because he agrees with you) yet you delete my reply.

Here are the highlights from Matt's post...

1. amateur detectorists
2. majority of contributors ARE NOT QUALIFIED
3. muddled comment
4. simply idiotic
5. scammers
6. sullied, scurrilous

Obviously you saw nothing worth moderating in this yet you felt the need to delete my reply and send me a rather unfriendly private email.

Lets have a look at the private email you sent me...

Cody Wrote:
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> I was aked to moderate the forum and have done so
> and will continue to unless the owners want
> someone else. One thing I will not do is allow the
> forum to degrade to personal attacks. We gain
> nothing from that so I am not going to be involved
> in those exchanges on the forum or by direct
> email. So, I enjoy your comments as long as you
> can keep it from getting personal. I have seen you
> do this often on other forums so am not going to
> let it happen here.

Okay help me to understand why you say, "I have seen you do this often on other forums", is that so? Which forums may I ask? And please define often, was it 2 times? 20 times? Did you keep some kind of tally?

Perhaps you are speaking of the Explorer forum where YOU jumped into the middle of someone elses thread, someone who has extensive experience with the Explorer and was trying to assist a new user. As I recall you contridicted his advice to the new user and your advice turned out to be completely wrong.

Some people take the position that because they have a PhD in engineering that they are somehow an instant expert on the Explorer and they talk down to us mere mortals.

When I hear terms like "amateur", "not qualified", "idiotic" I don't much like that and I don't think others on this forum do either.

They might consider this, the guy that designs a formula one car doesn't drive it, he'd probably crash it on the first lap.

 

[Cody]

I did not delete your post but moved it so the thread can be followed and pursued by those that are interested. I have never deleted a post but can move them so they do not degrade the forum into petty bickering which is why I will not pursue this any further. I have seen this road followed and have no intentions of one post after another on a dead topic.

I enjoy the vast majority of your post but you have a tendency to move away from the topic and make it personal. Nothing further would have been said if MattR had not posted. However, to be certain I am being fair I will move the entire thread. I assure you after over twenty years of teaching in a university classroom I don't need anyone to agree with me.

 

[Charles (Upstate NY)]

Well I have seen you "make it personal" in the past Cody so step down off your pedestal.

And what's with the "after over twenty years of teaching in a university classroom" comment? Why is your resume so often part of the dicussion? Do you realize that some people will read that and think you are looking down your nose at them?

I'm a professor, you are a lowely commoner, I'm smarter than you, how dare you challenge what I say.

You getting the picture yet?

 

[Cody]

Charles, letus agree to let this go and try again.

 

[Bill W.]

Charles,

I thought the same thing when I read what you quoted. Being a professor does not mean anything to me. FWIW, when I was in school my IQ was tested in school and it is over 150. Since we're throwing intelligence 'measurements' around I might as well throw that in...

HH!

-Bill

 

[Hard Nosed Dave]

Cody,

With all due respect,

You being the moderator of this forum is admirable but building up respect from the users and the readers up to Charles (NY) level will take a lot more time. That respect can only be gained from many of us who are prepared to give it. What you decide to do with this will also decide what we say in the future about you and your sense of fairness.

I tell you, a decision of NOT being allowed to read a post that Charles (NY) has made on this or any other forum is really left field. Removing his post based on a decision made by you, the forum moderator puts an even more bitter taste in my mouth. That

 

[Big Boys Hobbies]

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[Cody]

This has been a learning experience for me in several ways. First I gained an insight as to how I present myself and realized it was not what I thought. All the nonsense about who is smarter in the sense that a professor or engineer somehow has all the answers is no where near what I actually think and believe. What I also realized is the point you are making and that is to let it go as long as we don't get too far off of the topic. I was the network manager for the university and see that I was thinking on those lines. The students at the university could really get a forum or email list in trouble fast so I wrongly felt I needed to stop what I thought was headed to personal attacks. I posted several weeks back that I was going to lay back so others would be more active.

As far as anyone that participates on the forums is concerned what I was attempting to do was not let the forum fall into a personal battle between who knows the most, who is an engineer, or has used the Explorer the longest so has the "floor"

As a matter of fact I have a great deal of respect for Charles, MattR, and you and have enjoyed your posts. I don't mind being corrected when I make a mistake and I did not handle the question of if the Explorer is or is not a PI very well at all. I appreciate your comments, those of Charles, MattR, and was fairly sure something like this would come from the exchanges. The last thing I want to do is get all that started and take away from learning how to use the Explorer more effectively.

I have crossed blades once or twice on the forums and each time chastised myself for not handling it better. I have done so where this is concerned and will continue to do what I can to make this a good forum.

Have a good day and I do appreciate your great posts as I do those of Charles and Bill W. to mention just a few.

 

[Charles (Upstate NY)]

I have a low threashold (no punn intended) for standing on a pedestal and waving a degree at others, or acting like an expert and waving 6,000 Explorer finds at others for that matter. The Explorer secrets are deep enough that a guy who bought the machine yesterday may have learned something none of us so called experienced users have heard of yet so its best to keep our egos in check. And rock solid rules of thumb that have stood the test of time may fall by the wayside with the next revelation this machine gives up.

That said, the Explorer has a higher failure rate among new users than other machines e.g. people give up on the machine. Thats not good because we know how good this machine is so my primary focus has been to position new users for success and fast track them over the learning curve. I think thats a good goal for a forum titled Explorer Classroom.

Now with all that out of the way lets get back to the original topic...you ready? While we all have a love affair with the Explorer I will tell you the things I have been hearing about the Pulse Devil are nothing short of amazing. I talk to the guy who designed it on a regular basis so have been following its development for some time.

It remains to be seen if results in the field will be as impressive but I'll be swinging one of these soon enough so time will tell. If they do however we may have a new king of depth. A PI with tone ID as variable as the Explorer and the ability to discriminate iron and trash. At the least with its ability to disc iron this thing may come to rule the beaches.

Are your Explorer sites pounded to death? Mine are but I know there are more finds deeper that I just cannot reach. I know this by digging larger relics at those depths and by how deep the find things in archie digs around here. The 1600 Albany, NY fort is about 6-8 feet down if that gives you an idea.

This machine will not replace my Explorer but may open back up some sites that have proven to be not worth the time to detect anymore.

So is the Explorer a true PI machine e.g. can it perform at the same level with a PI in the areas the PI outperforms VLF machines? From what I have heard no, it outperforms VLF's but can't hang with a true PI on depth. But at the end of the day I don't really care if its a VLF or a PI or some abomination of the two. I do care if a new machine like the Pulse Devil will go considerably deeper. And to write off such a machine because we think the Explorer is already a discriminating PI would be short sighted.

Here's a juicy tidbit, this thing will pick up a tiny gold nugget at 10 inches with a 7 inch coil a popular gold detector could only detect iffy at 2 inches. Don't even ask how deep this goes on a nickel. These are air tests mind you and so to some degree are meaningless but then we have to consider how good PI machines are at dealing with mineralized ground. It could get interesting this season.

Charles

 

[Charles (Upstate NY)]

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[Cody]

It was never my intentions to convey the idea that one "pedigree" has anything to do with using the Explorer. I think we can forget that we are talking about a hobby detector and all participants are equal as far as I am concerned. When I say I am a retired professor or another guy is an engineer I take that in the same way I do when a construction contractor explains a topic in construction terms. We are going to think that way, in term so four work experiences, and I think nothing more of it. However, I spent a couple days thinking about your comments saying to myself "You know the guy is right" you are always talking about those things so it must be important to you. As a career educator it would be the height of hypocrisy to try and teach others all those years and then refuse to learn myself.

Dave Emery certainly stands out as one of the best. Candy, Payne, Foster, Garrett, Fisher, are some of the greats in our hobby. When I see a detector such as the T-2 what catches my eyes is the designers. The same is true of the Pulse Devil and I am very interested the machine.

You see there is a problem I have in that I frankly don't care what detector it is, PI, VLF, TR, BFO, IB, call it what we may. What I care about is how deep does it detect, how well does it discriminate, and is it user friendly? At the same time I realize the users needs to have preferences. It is easy to think our park, beach, or area searched represents the entire world of detecting. How often can we beat to death if we should use Semi-auto or Manual?

What has amazed me most in 46 years of using my first real detector, a tube type Whites, that the PI has not progressed further than it has. I am hoping that the Pulse Devil is the next evolution past the Explorer and then Minelab will take it a step further and so on.

I have to drive to the City for medical test so have a great day and enjoy the forum.

 

[Dennis 2]

Who makes the Pulse Devil ? and where can I read about it ?
Thanks
Dennis 2

 

[RingProfessional]

The pulse devil does not exist at this moment in time - its coming out later this year.

 

[Dennis 2]

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