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Cody, another question, since you say the Nautilus is 3-5" deeper than the Explorer...

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can you give me a max. depth that the Nautilus hits on a dime.
because when you say 3-5" deeper, i'm thinking, deeper than what? 3-5" deeper than 6", 3-5" deeper than the 8" coil on the explorer? or what?
i tried to email you about this before, but got no response. so figured i would post it here.
thanks.
 
When I retired from the university I decided to test the top machine on coins I had buried, in my shop, and in the field. I purchased a good 15 to 20 detectors by the time it was winding down. The Nautilus11b may have been the last one I tried but as so many am always looking for something really outstanding with no PR BS only to find it is just a modified version of the same old thing.
I am pretty sure the test coin is at 8
 
My understanding is the Nautilus must be tuned for its area and normal factory tuned works better down south where it is the relic detector of choice. I live up north and don't relic hunt so have no interest. Actually being a CZ user for many years feel coil for coil a CZ is deeper than an Explorer. Remember the stock coil of a CZ is 8 inches and the stock coil of the Explorer is 10 and doubt if an Explorer with an 8 inch coil would equal a stock CZ. Having said all the above remember. Nautilus has no meter, CZ has a large faceted meter. limited toneID and an Explorer gives you 3 ways to ID a target...tone,digital number and cross hair placement and many superior changeable facets to alter for various conditions. In addendum weather permitting take your weapon of choice and go for it..
 
but, i'm glad i finally received an answer on this.
so, an 8" deep quarter, plus 3" of air, for a total of 11", ok.
i agree with you on the tones and other functions the explorer has. i could not use a nautilus because it has no depth reading, no tone id, no gain, and no tid screen. but, some seem to like them. i like the explorer features.
now, i'm going to tell you a little story. i know this guy, uses a minelab explorer, he was relic hunting one day digging up minnie balls. after a while, these guys come up to him and asked if he was doing any good. he said yeah, whipped out some minnie balls, and they about fainted. they had found nothing, and were using nautilus machines. he jokes about how he skunked the nautilus guys with his explorer. and you know what? i believe him, because i know what the explorer can do, and i've tried almost every top brand of detector out there. so, take it for what it's worth.
the explorer is one awesome detector.
 
I have had several people tell me they were not able to reach my email. I have two that I use and for some reason one or the other will bounce at times. I have no idea why but have friends that send direct email and they also will call or write and tell me they cannot get to my email. I don't know what the deal is but is it not because I don't answer the email. I always returned valid email. Anyhow, sorry for the problem.
Well, I can buy any detector I want to use in retirement. I have an Explorer11, Sovereign Elite, and DFX. Why? Because they are the ones I know will do what I want. However, I have no desire or need to push them off on someone that prefers some other model or brand. I drive a Yukon but have no concern about all the other vehicles that pass me in one direction or the other on the road. Same is true of detectors. I like the three I selected as the thee to keep. I found several others that were very interesting but after hours of hunting it was these three that were best for me.
I do understand that there are a lot of good machines out there and users that do great with them. I see no reasons to kick their detectors around or convert them to my thinking or the machines I like. I think I have posted many time that what I post alwasy has a big question mark at the end. The idea is these are just my opinions and nothing more.
HH, Cody
 
I have never used a Nautilus, so don't know about them. But I have used Whites and CZs, I have both. I don't see much difference in depth, on the White's, CZ's or Explorer. But in my understanding the DD coil that the Explorer uses covers more ground when you are going deep as it don't end up in a point, but stays the same as the width of the coil. Which should find more targets that are deep, as it will cover it better, unless you overlap a whole lot. Outside of that, I so far don't see that much gain over the White or Fisher, in ID or depth. Fact is I can ID probably a little better with the Fisher and the White.
 
if i didn't live in and hunt in areas with deep coins and other deep targets, i might not use an explorer.
 
than an explorer, coil for coil, at least in va. and in pa. soil. that doesn't mean it's better though.
i still like the explorer better. i have more fun using it. it sounds so good and sweeps so smoothly.
a cz with the 10.5" coil on is the deepest detector i ever used though.
 
I'll second D(Va) on the CZ's coil for coil being deeper than the Explorer. I have had hits with my CZ-3D (8 inch coil) that my buddy's Explorer and my Explorer (both 10.5 coils) wouldn't even give a peep on. I have had several instances of the 3D hitting a target (on the fringe of detection) and the Explorer not being able to touch it. Go figure. I use both the Explorer and 3D quite extensively. Which one I use depends on the site I am hunting. I prefer the Explorer in iron. I am buying the SunRay 12 and Fisher 10.5 coil for my 3D here shortly. If that gets me even more depth with my 3D I'll be truely amazed and a very happy camper. I might have a sore hand from digging so deep once I get those coils... <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)"> IMHO, the Explorer/CZ-3D combo is very hard to beat.
-Bill
 
and it sounds good too, i think you'll be surprised how well it works.
but, it's heavy. with the 10.5" coil on the cz, it feels heavier than the explorer with the stock coil on. maybe it's just the balance is out of whack, not sure. but, it's deep.
 
Stock coil for a CZ is an 8, put a 10.5 on and it becomes nose heavy..In retrospect Explorer's stock coil is a 10 and just balances better as thats what its made for..I am sure we all agree an Explorer with its tones and changeable facets is tough to beat, but an Explorer-CZ combo gives us a 1-2 punch..
 
I'm looking forward to the 3D with the 10.5 on. I'll use the WOT on the Explorer all day at times. So, I think I'll manage with the 10.5 or 12.5 on the 3D... <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)"> But, I do think the 12.5 will be a handful... maybe as much as the WOT.
-Bill
 
Shhh! We don't want to talk about the Explorer/CZ combo too much... <img src="/metal/html/wink.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=";)"> I originally bought a CoinStrike to combo with my Explorer but I wasn't ever satisfied with it. I dug hot rocks hitting in the 20's all the time... <img src="/metal/html/frown.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":("> Depth was inconsistant unlike my 3D which is always awesome in depth in my area of PA. Some people have done excellent with the C$... not me.
-Bill
 
I can't speak for the Explorer,but I can tell you that the XLT and the DFX Do much better on coins that have been in the ground for some time.Much better then they do on freshly buried coins.Doing actual field tests like you did in the park is really the only way to test detectors head to head.Dave
 
They value of an air test is limited in my opinion for several reasons and I guess we know most of them. It would take a lot to convence me that coins and other goodies cannot be found deeper in the soil as a general rule due to some type of "halo". We never seem to agee as to what the halo is but I have constantly had greater depth with a detector on coins in the soil than through the air depending on how long they have been in the ground. I believe that even if I don't have anything but my own personal expereinces to go by.
HH, Cody
 
that might be something to try if the weight and balance are too poor.
one thing i can tell you from experience with hipmounting though is, the coil cable will wear out and the shielding break up. it happens from the cable getting stretched, stepped on, snagged on branches, etc.. and once the cable gets worn out, you will detect nothing. <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol"> i know from experience.
i used to hipmount a whites, and i went through many extension cables. for what it's worth.
my thoughts on hipmounting are, get an extension cable and don't use the cable attached to the coil. it's cheaper to replace an extension cable than a coil along with it's cable.
 
Nose heavy...For you hipmounters run the cable under your belt and allow some slack...saves om a lot of repairs and gives you beter control of the coil wire...besides 10.5 gives superior coverage but very little extra depth..
 
Bill,
The FZ-12 (12.5") weighs the same as the Fisher 10.5 but users are beginning to report that the FZ-12 actually feels lighter than the stock 10.5 not to mention better at pinpointing.
Ralph (Sun Ray)
 
I've also seen detectors go deeper in the air than in the soil.I know the DFX does go deeper in the soil then it does in the air.I think all the White's machines i've ever owned were the same way.Dave
 
I agree with that but am not sure why. I know some detectors require the soil matrix to operate properly. It is a combination of the soil matrix and the target. If the soil matrix is replaced by air then they don't perform properly.
Way back when I first started using a detector I realized that old coins such as a dime sounded as strong deeper in the ground than a quarter in the air. I wondered at this and assumed it had something with leaching of the metal into the soil in some way. I have found hundreds and hundreds of coins that exceed what I can air test for the same coin.
I don't think the engineers or have I intended to say that 7" is as deep as we can detect a dime. I understand them to say that anyone can take the detector and expect that depth with no problems in most conditions. That extra depth past 7" is determined by experience and primarily skills of the user in conjunction with other variables that are site specific. We all know that a detector can be set up to be very hot or just so so.
HH, Cody
 
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