Well I done some more testing with my C3SL Mr.Bill mods and 5.5 ferret coil and this thing still amazes me.I'm still surprised Monte sold this setup to me several years ago.I have a Classic 3 SL modified by Mr Bill and this machine has a toggle switch to select between Normal or Slow auto retuning which is one of the best features on it.I can pinpoint in all metal without loosing the signal too soon.It's almost like a non motion mode but not quite.I can hover the coil over the target for quite a while before the signal dies.It's more than enough time to pinpoint and profile the target.Actually with this small ferret coil on I can pinpoint in disc so easy and fast I don't have to go to all metal mode.I have posted several threads about this detector ever since I have had it and it is the detector that gets used more than all of them.I did another small test but this time it was in Arkansas soil.I'm not 100% sure but I think that this ground is moderate mineralized but some areas could be more or less.Anyway today I buried a penny just a little over a measured 6" and filled the hole completely.I first tested the coin with max sensitivity,black sand switch set to normal and disc at about nickel reject.Signal was nice and clear and smooth.You wouldn't of passed this signal up.Raised coil almost 6 more inches and still got the signal but it was a little softer but still there was no doubt it was a good soft repeatable signal.I lowered the sensitivity to about preset but I had to also lower the coil a little more to the ground and it still picked up the coin with no problem even at pulltab reject it still detected the coin.I even picked it up with the disc at max,just slightly softer.The I put it in the Black sand position and did the same test except I got about 2-3 more inches depth in that mode even when I raised the coil.That little 5.5 ferret coil is a hot little coil and it's hard to find.I have not got a chance to try any of the other factory small coils for it. I haven't done this test with the stock 9.5 but I will and I also have more test for it too. For the kind of hunting I do this setup works great because most of my sites are trashy and lots of target masking to go along with it.The fast recovery and quite in iron and the external Ground and threshold and toggle switch for slow retuning and the hot little coil and perfect balance and a battery system that has 60-70 hours of use depending if headphones are used or not this machine will get the job done.This is my favorite no bells and whistle machine.I am a Die Hard Classic person.Monte if U ever read this post Thanks again for selling this detector to me and the 5.5. ferret! It's a killer in trash and so fun to use. It's also top quality made and with the addition of the Mr.Bill mods and good quality headphones it's just a hard setup to beat for what I do. HH to all.
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Who knows, perhaps I was? 
It's a sad-but-true fact that too many dealer (regardless of the brand) tend to sell higher-end, more-featured models and, quite probably/possibly, even they don't take the time to learn a full line and then promote them for what they are. This seems to be true today as well. So many dealers are smaller, out-of-the-trunk or home-based dealers and they just can't afford to stock most/every model. I know from experience in working with dealers, or even just dropping in for a "visit" in my travels, that this seems to have been/is the case. The result? The excellent Classic SL models, mainly the Classic III SL, Classic ID and IDX Pro, just didn't get the credit they deserve. Asa devote fan, it pleases me to see posts such as yours. 
It's a sad-but-true fact that too many dealer (regardless of the brand) tend to sell higher-end, more-featured models and, quite probably/possibly, even they don't take the time to learn a full line and then promote them for what they are. This seems to be true today as well. So many dealers are smaller, out-of-the-trunk or home-based dealers and they just can't afford to stock most/every model. I know from experience in working with dealers, or even just dropping in for a "visit" in my travels, that this seems to have been/is the case. The result? The excellent Classic SL models, mainly the Classic III SL, Classic ID and IDX Pro, just didn't get the credit they deserve. Asa devote fan, it pleases me to see posts such as yours. The 5Ronk said:
Whites unfortunately tend not to follow through on things. They produce a fairly good machine then not much happens for a few years until someone in Europe or the States gets fed up with the wait and does the modifications that Whites should have followed up with.
With the Classic's or the Whites P.I.'s the best move was always to have Mr.Bill's mods carried out which moved the machines up into a different class for a remarkably small amount of money.
In Europe people undertook similar work or in the case of the Classics you could go straight to a Classic Turbo. There was a group test on a technical forum back in 2003 that involved 14 or 15 of the top machines of the day including the XLT, MXT, Troy Shadow X5, the Explorer, Garrett 2500, Tesoro, Nautilus, Fisher CZ etc.
The Whites Classic III Turbo produced the best depth results or equalled the best of any other machine on five of the six targets used, on the sixth it came one cm. behind the winner which was the XP Adventis.
The Turbo's were never sold in the U.S. and the double D coils that you could buy never made their way over either as Whites firmly stuck with concentrics for many more years.
With the Classic's or the Whites P.I.'s the best move was always to have Mr.Bill's mods carried out which moved the machines up into a different class for a remarkably small amount of money.
In Europe people undertook similar work or in the case of the Classics you could go straight to a Classic Turbo. There was a group test on a technical forum back in 2003 that involved 14 or 15 of the top machines of the day including the XLT, MXT, Troy Shadow X5, the Explorer, Garrett 2500, Tesoro, Nautilus, Fisher CZ etc.
The Whites Classic III Turbo produced the best depth results or equalled the best of any other machine on five of the six targets used, on the sixth it came one cm. behind the winner which was the XP Adventis.
The Turbo's were never sold in the U.S. and the double D coils that you could buy never made their way over either as Whites firmly stuck with concentrics for many more years.
Well Monte,I DO remember a few years after I bought it from you I told you that IF I decided to sell it that I would sell it back to you."I WOULD still sell it back to U but this thing has just about been attached to my body.I would be lost without it! I would feel naked going treasure hunting without my Modified C3SL. I'm just not quite ready to let it go yet. I have used so many detectors with and without bells and whistles and there is just something about the Modified C3Sl that I can't explain.It's not because it works for Me,It just works and does what it's designed to do Period! I never did find any hype in the advertisement when it first came out like a lot of other machines did.It not only gets the job done for me,It's easy to adjust and U rarely have to tweak any adjustments once U set them for the area you are searching.It' also down right Fun to use.I really love the modulated audio on this thing.It's real easy to estimate depth on coin size targets.That little 5.5 ferret coil really gets in between the trash to pick out the goodies.The C3SL might be old news for some but I always have GOOD news with it! It has one of the best discriminator circuits out there.It is very accurate but the preset marks are not quite the way I like to set it up. I thought of something,I don't know why I am telling U all this Monte because U already know how well the Classics perform,but in case someone else is reading this,I would like them to also know that Outdated doesn't mean Outperformed.And...New doesn't always mean Better. I've seen on all the different forums around the net and I am surprised to see so many newer machines sent back because of problems.I don't think I have ever read a post that someone was having problems with one of the Classics,they could have but I personally have read a post like that yet myself. This detector still works like a champ and even better with the Mr. Bill Mods. It's good to hear from you again Monte! U are not the Only Die Hard Classic Fan out there,I am sure there are gaggles of them out there! How about a "Classic Forum"? That would be the cats meow!!!
Ron
Ron
In your dreams! Sorry,just kidding! To be honest I have never tried a small coil from Whites.Several years ago I found one online but the person or crook never delivered it.I tried to find out more info on this person but his website vanished right along with my coil that I sent $60.00 for. I would like to get a similar size coil as the ferret to compare but haven't got around to it yet.I can't imagine a coil this same size performing any better but nothing is impossible.This coil is so easy to pinpoint with it's almost too good to be true.I can leave it in disc mode and pinpoint the target with my eyes closed.The target is dead center every time. When my brother in-law was out the other day he kept calling me over to where his target was at to pinpoint for him and the ferret was on dead on his coin the first sweep.The coin was in the pile of dirt he dug from the hole.Everyone knows how a copper penny turns to the color of ground it's in sometimes and it's very hard to eyeball it.The ferret nailed it every time.Using my C3SL modified and running it with the black sand switch engaged and min disc this thing will get down to where the very low conductors are hiding and you would be surprised how sensitive it is to very small targets even with the freq being 6.59 khz. I have used this setup for so long I know what the machine is telling me most of the time. Of course it can be fooled by some types of round washers just like other detectors but most of the time I can change my sweep speed to identify those fairly easy.Even being a single frequency machine it's easy to learn the audio which is what I use most of the time no matter what detector I am using.I don't like to spend time figuring out what the different tones or meter is telling me.By the time I do that I could of already dug the target.Anyway,back to the ferret.If they still made them at least the 5.5 I'm sure a lot of people would be using them for a smaller coil.Well,I'm out of here for now.Sorry to ramble but like I said.I am a Die Hard Classic user just like Monte.I know my Modified C3SL and I know what it can do and what it is telling me and there are no cons about it.I know how to use all of the controls and I know what they are for and they DO what they are suppose to do it Great!
from...Ronk-The Die Hard Classic Monster.
from...Ronk-The Die Hard Classic Monster.