clondike clad
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Do anyone know if the Classic 5-ID is better the the prizm 5???.
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Classic 5-ID
- Thread starter clondike clad
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I'll do it anyway. 
It's 'tricky' because depending upon which White's Forum you post on, and who might respond, and reply to this that doesn't shed high praise on the Prizm V might be attacked.
It's also a little 'tricky' to answer when readers, such as me, don't know what the application would be or what might interest you about either one.
And it is also 'tricky' because I don't want to offend anyone who owns one or the other, or dealers who are looking to try and sell one or the other. I don't like to sugar-coat things, and I also don't like to hold back my honest opinions.
Since you want to know if the Classic 5-ID, which is sold exclusively thru Kellyco, is better than a Prizm V, which is supposed to be more restricted to dealer-direct sales, I will point out general observations about each model and then list the reasons why I think the Classic 5-ID is perhaps 'better.'
The Prizm series was introduced to compete with the 'off shore' market that has captured a lot of the lower-end business. They presently have four (4) Prizm series models and, personally, I think they only needed one or two to cover the lower-end competition.
When they brought the Prizm series out it was with the intention of replacing the Classic series, and they did just that. They bumped the Classic's from the catalog and replaced them with the Prizm's. But they didn't replace the performance characteristics when they did. Only changed what they offer at similar price points.
Both the Classic and Prizm series are two-filter type, slow motion, silent search discriminators.
The Prizm's and the Classic ID, IDX/IDX Pro and 5-ID all feature an 8-zone Target ID display.
Now for some differences:
The Prizm series uses an accept or reject option for the discrimination of the first five segments. The Classic series uses a variable control to permit fine-tuning the rejection level desired.
The Prizm V has a going street price about $100 more than a Classic 5-ID with the same 950 coil, and the Classic 5-ID is $130 less if ordered with the 8" coil. For that additional $100 to $130 dollars for a new detector the Prizm V offers a 0-2-4-6-8 zone coin depth readout. With the Classic's you just have to guess and know that the coin is within the same overall depth range.
The Prizm V gives you the ability to notch discriminate the first few segments. The Classic 5-ID doesn't have any notch capability.
The Prizm V offers single tone audio, triple tone audio, or an 8-tone audio ID that is associated with the 8-segment Target ID. The Classic only gives you a single tone audio.
So, with those different features why is it I feel the Classic 5-ID might be the better of the two? Its because of performance, battery system, and physical design.
Let's look at the physical design for a minute. The Prizm has a headphone jack on the left SIDE of the control housing. Most people are right handed and the headphone cable will come out and possibly drape across in front of the display. It's just an odd-ball location as far as I am concerned, especially compared with the Classic's design with the headphone jack in the rear-center of the housing and more protected from damage or being a nuisance.
Battery systems are different, too. The Prizm's use 2-9V batteries and the Classic uses the familiar drop-in 8-AA battery tray. I can almost always get 8 alkaline AA batteries cheaper than 2 alkaline 9V batteries. The 9 volt system of the Prizm will have a faster drain on the right-side battery due to the fact that it drives the audio and it is suggested to check it more often and/or rotate it periodically with the other for more even battery drain.
The 2-9V batteries provide about 20 hours of operation. The Classic's battery system will keep you going for about 65 hours!
The Prizm series have a delayed response compared with the Classic series. The Classic circuitry will respond very quickly over a target and will recover equally fast, more similar to the Tesoro or Troy Custom detectors. The Prizm's have a more delayed response time that is more like the Bounty Hunter or Garrett type delayed response.
In very trashy sites where it is very difficult to impossible to use an all metal Pinpoint mode, the quick response of the Classic series assists the operator in pinpointing a target with slower, short sweeps.
One drawback to the Classic 5-ID compared with the former Classic models is that when White's dropped the Classic series and restricted the Prizm sales, Kellyco and White's agreed to produce the Classic 4 and 5-ID models for Kellyco, but they are slightly modified so that they operate at the higher 8.1 kHz Prizm frequency and use the Prizm series coils. White's only offers two coils for the Prizm's, when I last checked, and you can pick the 8" or 950.
I personally like to use the 8" thin-profile coil to the 950 and that is the choice I would make.
the Classic series are rugged and feel more durable than do the Prizm models. I have little use for the 8-Tone TID and depth reading and limited-use notch to justify opting for the Prizm V over a Classic.
My Classic of choice is the IDX Pro which I have had modified by Bill Crabtree and this gives me an external threshold tuner and Ground Balance adjustment.
Oh, while on that topic, the Classic 5-ID's GB trimmer is much easier to access and is more durable than the little micro trimmer of the Prizm V, and it controls the GB reference for BOTH modes more efficiently.
For the $$ savings, I'd get a Classic 5-ID with 8" coil if the choice was mine between only these two models.
Monte
It's 'tricky' because depending upon which White's Forum you post on, and who might respond, and reply to this that doesn't shed high praise on the Prizm V might be attacked.
It's also a little 'tricky' to answer when readers, such as me, don't know what the application would be or what might interest you about either one.
And it is also 'tricky' because I don't want to offend anyone who owns one or the other, or dealers who are looking to try and sell one or the other. I don't like to sugar-coat things, and I also don't like to hold back my honest opinions.
Since you want to know if the Classic 5-ID, which is sold exclusively thru Kellyco, is better than a Prizm V, which is supposed to be more restricted to dealer-direct sales, I will point out general observations about each model and then list the reasons why I think the Classic 5-ID is perhaps 'better.'
The Prizm series was introduced to compete with the 'off shore' market that has captured a lot of the lower-end business. They presently have four (4) Prizm series models and, personally, I think they only needed one or two to cover the lower-end competition.
When they brought the Prizm series out it was with the intention of replacing the Classic series, and they did just that. They bumped the Classic's from the catalog and replaced them with the Prizm's. But they didn't replace the performance characteristics when they did. Only changed what they offer at similar price points.
Both the Classic and Prizm series are two-filter type, slow motion, silent search discriminators.
The Prizm's and the Classic ID, IDX/IDX Pro and 5-ID all feature an 8-zone Target ID display.
Now for some differences:
The Prizm series uses an accept or reject option for the discrimination of the first five segments. The Classic series uses a variable control to permit fine-tuning the rejection level desired.
The Prizm V has a going street price about $100 more than a Classic 5-ID with the same 950 coil, and the Classic 5-ID is $130 less if ordered with the 8" coil. For that additional $100 to $130 dollars for a new detector the Prizm V offers a 0-2-4-6-8 zone coin depth readout. With the Classic's you just have to guess and know that the coin is within the same overall depth range.
The Prizm V gives you the ability to notch discriminate the first few segments. The Classic 5-ID doesn't have any notch capability.
The Prizm V offers single tone audio, triple tone audio, or an 8-tone audio ID that is associated with the 8-segment Target ID. The Classic only gives you a single tone audio.
So, with those different features why is it I feel the Classic 5-ID might be the better of the two? Its because of performance, battery system, and physical design.
Let's look at the physical design for a minute. The Prizm has a headphone jack on the left SIDE of the control housing. Most people are right handed and the headphone cable will come out and possibly drape across in front of the display. It's just an odd-ball location as far as I am concerned, especially compared with the Classic's design with the headphone jack in the rear-center of the housing and more protected from damage or being a nuisance.
Battery systems are different, too. The Prizm's use 2-9V batteries and the Classic uses the familiar drop-in 8-AA battery tray. I can almost always get 8 alkaline AA batteries cheaper than 2 alkaline 9V batteries. The 9 volt system of the Prizm will have a faster drain on the right-side battery due to the fact that it drives the audio and it is suggested to check it more often and/or rotate it periodically with the other for more even battery drain.
The 2-9V batteries provide about 20 hours of operation. The Classic's battery system will keep you going for about 65 hours!
The Prizm series have a delayed response compared with the Classic series. The Classic circuitry will respond very quickly over a target and will recover equally fast, more similar to the Tesoro or Troy Custom detectors. The Prizm's have a more delayed response time that is more like the Bounty Hunter or Garrett type delayed response.
In very trashy sites where it is very difficult to impossible to use an all metal Pinpoint mode, the quick response of the Classic series assists the operator in pinpointing a target with slower, short sweeps.
One drawback to the Classic 5-ID compared with the former Classic models is that when White's dropped the Classic series and restricted the Prizm sales, Kellyco and White's agreed to produce the Classic 4 and 5-ID models for Kellyco, but they are slightly modified so that they operate at the higher 8.1 kHz Prizm frequency and use the Prizm series coils. White's only offers two coils for the Prizm's, when I last checked, and you can pick the 8" or 950.
I personally like to use the 8" thin-profile coil to the 950 and that is the choice I would make.
the Classic series are rugged and feel more durable than do the Prizm models. I have little use for the 8-Tone TID and depth reading and limited-use notch to justify opting for the Prizm V over a Classic.
My Classic of choice is the IDX Pro which I have had modified by Bill Crabtree and this gives me an external threshold tuner and Ground Balance adjustment.
Oh, while on that topic, the Classic 5-ID's GB trimmer is much easier to access and is more durable than the little micro trimmer of the Prizm V, and it controls the GB reference for BOTH modes more efficiently.
For the $$ savings, I'd get a Classic 5-ID with 8" coil if the choice was mine between only these two models.
Monte
clondike clad
Member
Is it he same board but set at 8hkz .
And can the Mr bill mods work on it.
And can the Mr bill mods work on it.