Classic 3 & mods ... can we talk??

[DavHut]

Ive read everything I can about this subject and am working to get a nice C3. Keep your fingers crossed for me.

I was curious. Once I have the mods done, will the detector offer the chance to "SuperTune", a la the Tesoro models?

 

[Monte]

doesn't apply to ALL Tesoro models.

I have referred to this technique since 1982 or 1983 as 'hyper-tuning' or 'super tuning' and it relates to increaseing the Threshold setting of a model that uses a threshold-based All Metal or momentary All Metal (Pinpoint) mode, but a silent-search Discriminate mode.

On models that allow this, you can hunt in the silent discriminate mode and when you encounter a mid-range or deeper target you get a louder audio response. More saturated audio, if you will.

The trade-off is that you will also make the All Metal and/or Pinpoint mode useless because it is at a blaring audio setting!

Now, as to can you do it with a Classic III that's been modified? Yes, you can but I advise against it. White's designed their Classic series with a too-high audio thresho,d in the first place. The reasoning was that it would be fnctional for those who didn't use headphones. Plug headphones in and the threshold is too lioud. That's one of the beauties of Bill's modofificatuons. You have an external manual Threshold control and can tailor the threshold setting to your hearing, the noise environment, and for the coil and headphones in use.

Super tuning an earlier Tesoro was more beneficial because they were designed with some whimpy performance as the audio response dropped off quickly after just a few inches. They have improved that in recent years, with some associated trade-offs in instability.

The Classic III, ID or IDX Pro, when modified and used with a quality set of headphones (I like my Troy Pro's and Killer B Wasps), will provide excellent performance w/o super-tuning. Remember, too, that one trade-off is that with some models used with a hyper-set threshold in the silent-search mode the audio might be a bit noisy in trashier zones and/or in bad ground.


Monte

 

[DavHut]

doesn't apply to ALL Tesoro models.
Gotcha. I dont know every detector in their lineup, and I can see where the older ones, etc. may not offer this ability. I knew it could be done with my trusty old SSII, and most of the models since which meet the criteria: adjustable threshold setting on models that use a threshold-based All Metal or momentary All Metal (Pinpoint) mode, but a silent-search Discriminate mode.

On models that allow this, you can hunt in the silent discriminate mode and when you encounter a mid-range or deeper target you get a louder audio response. More saturated audio, if you will.
The trade-off is that you will also make the All Metal and/or Pinpoint mode useless because it is at a blaring audio setting!
Right on! After I understood this - ever ringing ears as proof! - I also was forced to discover another feature of that SSII: great pinpointing while in the DISC mode.

Then I had an epiphany: you dont need to run 'cranked' all the time! "SuperTuning" could be used with discretion, as a bonus feature, if you will, available when and if needed.

Now, as to can you do it with a Classic III that's been modified? Yes, you can but I advise against it.
I understand the caveat and the reasoning you've offered. It's nice to know that it is there and can be counted as a bonus feature on the Classics, once modified. I ALWAYS use 'phones (could you imagine running around with that infernal beeping going on all the time, like some of the 'old timers' did, back when?)
The element of instability when 'supertuned' is known and can be accounted for, too, if and when this mode is selected for odd and occasional use. Once the target is recovered, I would expect to leave the S-T mode and go back to "normal". It's only nice to know the feature is there.
I once had one of the earlier "slung box" CIII's and liked the expressive audio responses it gave. I am looking forward to another "Classic" and hope all goes well. Thanks, Monte, for your excellent response. We're fortunate to have your wise mentorship.