Civil War Era Cartridge?

[sa_twister]

Hey guys . Was beeping around an old town site in Gila County Arizona and found this cartridge. Any ideas on what it might be? I'm positive it's civil war era just not sure what caliber. This is it pictured next to a modern .45acp for size comparison.

 

[LaRelic]

I believe it to be from a Henry rifle. I can't remember the caliber. I know there is a website out there with measurements of the casing. I know some are post war, but not sure of the complete lineage of the Henry rifle. Someone else might be able to give you some better info...HH

 

[NealNoIN]

n/t

 

[Larry (IL)]

I think the H came slightly after the CW when Winchester Repeating Arms hired Henry to work for him as chief designer. The H on the Winchester casing was to honor Henry.

 

[Cajuncoinhunter]

A friend of mine has one and I know a little about it. It's called a head stamp. From a .44 Henry. In service toward the end of the CW to the late 1870s. They were also used by Gen Custers troops. Winchester bought out Henry. The Henry became the Winchester model 1866 which used the same .44 cal Henry rim fire shown in the pic. Mr Henry stayed on with Winchester. Winchester ammo was "head stamped" with a H for many years because of Tyler Henry

cch

 

[brnn53]

I have found many with the H headstamp in 1865 CW campsites.
Mike

 

[deepseeker442]

good for you wtg man

 

[sa_twister]

Right on. The area I found it was a town post CW. The town was founded in, I believe 1877 and was dead by 1885 due to multiple attacks by Apaches. Either way though, that gun could have made it's way from god knows where t Arizona in that amount of time easily. Still, the find excited me. The coolest thing I have found with my detector yet! Kind of fun to imagine how it got there. Was it a white man shooting at an Apache or an Apache shooting at a white man, and was someone actually killed with that shot? All kinds of neat scenarios to imagine.

 

[huntcav65]

WINCHESTER REPEATING ARMS Co.
WRA-0
HISTORY
The modern Winchester Repeating Arms Co. can trace its roots back to the Volcanic Repeating Arms Company, which produced the Volcanic rifles and pistols during the early part of the 1850's. When this firm was failing, Oliver F. Winchester,
as an investor, helped form the New Haven Arms Company. They were to continue the manufacture of rifles using some of the ideas of the Volcanic designs. The Volcanic rifles used .31 and .36 caliber self contained cartridges which lacked power. In June 1858, the new company took over the former premises of the Volcanic Repeating Arms Co. with O.F. Winchester as the president and B. Tyler Henry as the shop supervisor . At first sales were no better than with the prior designs and company. Then Mr. Henry redesigned the Volcanic action to handle the larger caliber .44 rimfire cartridge. To honor Henry for his work, all Winchester rimfire cartridges carry an "H" headstamp even today and the first products of the New Haven Arms Co. were
called the "Henry Rifles"

It is not known when the impressed "H" replaced the raised "H", but probably sometime in the early 1880's.


I'm putting this in there because your casing has a double firing pin strick wich also help on IDing the gun
Copied from a post on another forum
my money is on--- henry 38 - 40 -- the fact its 38 cal -its a rimfire and has dual strike firing pin marks -- henry 38 - 40 black powder type catridge * all the way. -- most likely fired from henry model 1866 rifle (38-40)

the 44 cal henry repeaters used during the civil war by union troops -- the casings found at battle sites have that same exact rimfire type casings but in 44 cal with dual strike firing pin markings ,