mark_ad1970
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When finding a new park to hunt,do you guys approach city hall and ask for permission or do you just dive right in?
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- Thread starter mark_ad1970
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Check the ordinances (usually on-line). If not just contact city hall and ask if there is an ordinance against metal detecting. Don't ask for permission or you will invite a NO answer. The only place I've been booted is soccer parks that had signs requiring permits for use of the field.
This year a couple groundskeepers approached me and ask how I was doing. One then told me that I couldn't dig in the park. I promptly replied, "Nice try guys, I already checked with the parks dept.and as long as I don't make a mess its OK." With that they chuckled and walked away.
This year a couple groundskeepers approached me and ask how I was doing. One then told me that I couldn't dig in the park. I promptly replied, "Nice try guys, I already checked with the parks dept.and as long as I don't make a mess its OK." With that they chuckled and walked away.
mark_ad1970
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I've always wanted to hunt a soccer field.Just imagine what they could be yielding.....money,money,money.....money.
mark_ad1970 said:
Mark, I don't often post my soccer field finds. But to whet your appetite, here's yesterdays finds. Mind you, this was an unusual day for me.
Picture doesn't include all the trash, nor can it convey the aching muscles or the pain I will feel when I give back the ring to its owner....grin
BTW, some soccer fields may be off limits, I've been kicked off two so far. They just happened to be the best ones...ugh
mark_ad1970
New member
Nice finds there,Ism.There's a soccer field near where I live but it's locked up like fort knox.By they way,was it a cop or a field attendant that told you to leave the field?
the reason why you was even approached and asked how you are doing is because
they don't want any one "possibly' making more work for them!.they could "care less"
what city ordinance is in effect,although,of course they HAVE to abide by it! as you of course ARE aware,they was just
"rolling the dice" with you and hoping you would leave!..just sayin'
(h.h.!)
j.t.
they don't want any one "possibly' making more work for them!.they could "care less"
what city ordinance is in effect,although,of course they HAVE to abide by it! as you of course ARE aware,they was just
"rolling the dice" with you and hoping you would leave!..just sayin'
(h.h.!)
j.t.
mark_ad1970
New member
grouser said:
We are the janitors of the park.
grouser said:
I am saving the sharp pieces of metal to show the supervisor of the soccer fields that are off limits. I have a plan to offer my services as a volunteer for the parks dept for "shallow object recovery" of all dangerous objects that could injure the players. I don't know if they will buy this idea, but it would be a win-win situation for the parks dept. The field that I sampled coughed up a silver ring in less than an hour, had more clad than trash, and had several sharp objects close to the surface. I emailed the supervisor but got no response. I will be visiting her in the near future with a handful of trash...Maybe this idea will help others that have parks that are off limits to hobby detectorists.
hardrockminer
New member
mark_ad1970 said:
We are cleaning the envirment one beep at a time. Putting a positive spin on what we do takes the wind out of the sails of negative people against us.
We are a green hobby (that is if everybody fills their dig holes & are neat).
HaRM
JimGilmore
Active member
I could see two guys doing tai chi being up set.....Not like they move fast enough to even kill a few blades of grass.
I can see them moving most other group sports though. Baseball,football or any make hsit game of catch...
Long as you move for the soccer players when they show up.
Most park workers will ignore the other open field sports that may come and go during the day using the field.
Kite.little kids walking for their first trip to the park and so on. Even a lone guy with a boomerang, as long as the field is not crowded with people at the time you engage at such activities.
I was in one playground with bark chips where worker was there early in the morning using a rake and re spreading the bark. She was concerned that I would leave holes till she saw me doing the same as she was and removing the piles that collected along the walking path and re-spreading it to make it all level.
It is a lot about perception. Those that do not want use to detect often have a misunderstanding about what we are doing and perceive that we are doing something that is damaging to them or their park.
I have never left nails in the park but often find a dozen on every hunt to a bark playground.
I can see them moving most other group sports though. Baseball,football or any make hsit game of catch...
Long as you move for the soccer players when they show up.
Most park workers will ignore the other open field sports that may come and go during the day using the field.
Kite.little kids walking for their first trip to the park and so on. Even a lone guy with a boomerang, as long as the field is not crowded with people at the time you engage at such activities.
I was in one playground with bark chips where worker was there early in the morning using a rake and re spreading the bark. She was concerned that I would leave holes till she saw me doing the same as she was and removing the piles that collected along the walking path and re-spreading it to make it all level.
It is a lot about perception. Those that do not want use to detect often have a misunderstanding about what we are doing and perceive that we are doing something that is damaging to them or their park.
I have never left nails in the park but often find a dozen on every hunt to a bark playground.
JimGilmore
Active member
Yes, Tai Che is a karate type exercise though I am sure they would refer to it as a dicisapline. It is done under extreem control and looks more like a dance than fighting....it is like exercise for the body and mind.
The link Barker gives has some of my thoughts on the subject. Basically, "Dive Right In". If you are skittish (about potential rules or something), check the city/park rules/ordinances YOURSELF. Usually available on-line, or set out on the desk at city hall (for public viewing). If it is silent on the issue of metal detecting (ie.: no prohibitions), then SO BE IT. Do NOT go "ask permission", lest you merely paint your hobby in a light of something dangerous or illegal, that it even "needed permission", to begin with.
The reason not to ask permission (where the activity is not prohibited, to begin with), is you can oftentimes get a "no", where no such prohibition exists. Merely because some desk-bound clerk morphs something else to apply (ie.: don't disturb the earthworms, or whatever). More on that in Barker's link.
And some people, over the years, have thought of a way around this "because I said so" psychology, by specifically phrasing their question in this way: "Is there anything that prohibits metal detecting in the parks here?" (as if to put the burden of proof on them to PRODUCE such an actual written rule). But this can and has back-fired .... dangerously ..... time and again. For example, even though you carefully phrased your question, they can STILL simply say "we would prefer you didn't" (as if you had been asking their permission). And if you try to argue with them and say ".... but where is that written?", it will become a downwards battle
Or in some cases, your challenging them to produce a rule, will simply .... duh .... get a rule written to "address your pressing issue"! Mind you, all of this could be happening at a park where no one really cared less! (till you asked). The reason for this is, that the mere fact someone is asking, merely presumes something is wrong, damaging, inherently evil, thus the inquirer felt they needed sanction, permission, etc... (lest why else would you be standing in front of them asking, if it didn't need some legal sanction??) I mean, would you have felt the need to ask about flying a frisbee or skipping stones on the pond? No, of course not.
Now of course even if there are no prohibitions, and you will leave no traces, doesn't mean that: ergo, you can go at high noon in front of park workers having an archaeologist convention and waltz over their beach blankets. I mean, a little common sense and discretion is involved here! We're in an awkward hobby that draws connotations. So pick low traffic times, off-hours when busy-bodies and lookie-lous aren't likely to ask themselves "oh lookie, what's the man with the geiger-counter-thingy doing over there?"
The reason not to ask permission (where the activity is not prohibited, to begin with), is you can oftentimes get a "no", where no such prohibition exists. Merely because some desk-bound clerk morphs something else to apply (ie.: don't disturb the earthworms, or whatever). More on that in Barker's link.
And some people, over the years, have thought of a way around this "because I said so" psychology, by specifically phrasing their question in this way: "Is there anything that prohibits metal detecting in the parks here?" (as if to put the burden of proof on them to PRODUCE such an actual written rule). But this can and has back-fired .... dangerously ..... time and again. For example, even though you carefully phrased your question, they can STILL simply say "we would prefer you didn't" (as if you had been asking their permission). And if you try to argue with them and say ".... but where is that written?", it will become a downwards battle
Or in some cases, your challenging them to produce a rule, will simply .... duh .... get a rule written to "address your pressing issue"! Mind you, all of this could be happening at a park where no one really cared less! (till you asked). The reason for this is, that the mere fact someone is asking, merely presumes something is wrong, damaging, inherently evil, thus the inquirer felt they needed sanction, permission, etc... (lest why else would you be standing in front of them asking, if it didn't need some legal sanction??) I mean, would you have felt the need to ask about flying a frisbee or skipping stones on the pond? No, of course not. Now of course even if there are no prohibitions, and you will leave no traces, doesn't mean that: ergo, you can go at high noon in front of park workers having an archaeologist convention and waltz over their beach blankets. I mean, a little common sense and discretion is involved here!
We're in an awkward hobby that draws connotations. So pick low traffic times, off-hours when busy-bodies and lookie-lous aren't likely to ask themselves "oh lookie, what's the man with the geiger-counter-thingy doing over there?"