Cibola/Vaquero Ground Balance

[POLEWAGGER]

Found out some more useful stuff about the freq switch uses. Hope you find it as interesting as I did.
Please try this for yourself.
Comments please

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhTtkGCisfQ

 

[therover]

I like the mods you did. Cool stuff.

 

[slingshot]

Yeah. What makes it so interesting is setting the trimmer pot by power ground balancing and then using each frequency to to alter the setting for different areas.

 

[coach mac]

It could have better sound

 

[POLEWAGGER]

It could have better sound

Agreed. I cranked the volume all the way in editing but still too quiet. The next ones should be better sound since I adjusted the cam internals.

The big point I wanted to make here is, if you have a C with internal balance, set it up for neutral on freq2, then you have optimum settings for disc on freq1. When you want to hunt in AM, switch to freq2. If you want to run a bit positive, use freq3. This might also be useful for getting closer GB in the field, or when changing coils on your Cibola with internal GB control.
I haven't seen any other info regarding GB changes when switching frequencies on the C & V. I think it would be in Tesoros best interest to jump on this as a "hidden" bonus with their freq switchable detectors.
Just being aware that your C or V ground balance will change when switching frequencies is a big deal in my opinion.
Knowing that you can change your GB with the flip of a switch is even a bigger deal IMHO.
I'm going to keep pushing this thread to the top until everyone is aware of it.

 

[comcat]

hey Polewagger, that was very informative,,and i agree with you on the value of such a facility on vaq. and shib. machines ,,there are times when a little pos. or neg. can help in a far better target signal,,,thank you ,,rgds

 

[POLEWAGGER]

hey Polewagger, that was very informative,,and i agree with you on the value of such a facility on vaq. and shib. machines ,,there are times when a little pos. or neg. can help in a far better target signal,,,thank you ,,rgds

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[comcat]

hey Polewagger, that was very informative,,and i agree with you on the value of such a facility on vaq. and shib. machines ,,there are times when a little pos. or neg. can help in a far better target signal,,,thank you ,,rgds

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[POLEWAGGER]

Test this for yourself in your coin garden......you DO have a test garden......DON'T YOU????

 

[pine3874]

Will this method also work with a Cibola that doesn't have the ground balance modification? In other words, preset ground balance.

 

[slingshot]

Will this method also work with a Cibola that doesn't have the ground balance modification? In other words, preset ground balance.

I'm thinking you could set the g/b trimmer inside on freq 2 for your usual rough ground conditions in your area and then switch frequencies to allow for deviations. That's what I'm trying to find out-it seems logical.

 

[POLEWAGGER]

Will this method also work with a Cibola that doesn't have the ground balance modification? In other words, preset ground balance.

I'm thinking you could set the g/b trimmer inside on freq 2 for your usual rough ground conditions in your area and then switch frequencies to allow for deviations. That's what I'm trying to find out-it seems logical.

I would like to hear some confirmation from other C owners who don't have a GB mod and aren't afraid to open up the unit and set the GB themselves. That was the purpose of the video. I'm fairly certain the results will be consistent from unit to unit. When I set my GB perfectly neutral on freq2, my depth was maximized when hunting in DISC. on freq1. When hunting in AM use freq2 for normal ground, then you can use 1 or 3 as needed for slight pos. neg. adjustments. Even though you may not have external GB, it should be checked regularly while hunting. You might be missing out on the true power of the mighty C if you don't make sure it's set properly. I'm starting to think that the only people who get rid of their C didn't have their GB set right, or they discovered that they needed external GB for their soil conditions. When I got my C, before I modded it, the thing would scream when I dropped the coil to the ground in all metal, and would beep like crazy in DISC unless the SENS was turned way down.
First, I learned that discrimination mode works best when the ground balance is slightly negative, then I learned that the perfect amount of negative can be achieved by setting it perfectly neutral while switched to frequency 2. Your pinpoint button is a momentary AM switch. You can hunt in AM with a C but your thumb will get tired.

 

[pine3874]

I am running my Cibola "super tuned" and it is completely silent in DISC., no chatter at all. When I check the ground balance it is positive in all 3 freqs. Why would I want to open up the unit and change the ground balance to neutral if it is running so smoothly? I live in Georgia with red clay most places.

Will this method also work with a Cibola that doesn't have the ground balance modification? In other words, preset ground balance.

I'm thinking you could set the g/b trimmer inside on freq 2 for your usual rough ground conditions in your area and then switch frequencies to allow for deviations. That's what I'm trying to find out-it seems logical.

I would like to hear some confirmation from other C owners who don't have a GB mod and aren't afraid to open up the unit and set the GB themselves. That was the purpose of the video. I'm fairly certain the results will be consistent from unit to unit. When I set my GB perfectly neutral on freq2, my depth was maximized when hunting in DISC. on freq1. When hunting in AM use freq2 for normal ground, then you can use 1 or 3 as needed for slight pos. neg. adjustments. Even though you may not have external GB, it should be checked regularly while hunting. You might be missing out on the true power of the mighty C if you don't make sure it's set properly. I'm starting to think that the only people who get rid of their C didn't have their GB set right, or they discovered that they needed external GB for their soil conditions. When I got my C, before I modded it, the thing would scream when I dropped the coil to the ground in all metal, and would beep like crazy in DISC unless the SENS was turned way down.
First, I learned that discrimination mode works best when the ground balance is slightly negative, then I learned that the perfect amount of negative can be achieved by setting it perfectly neutral while switched to frequency 2. Your pinpoint button is a momentary AM switch. You can hunt in AM with a C but your thumb will get tired.

 

[pine3874]

I have to reply to my own last post. Following Polewagger's instructions, I opened up my Cibola and adjusted the trimmer to neutral gb on freq. 2. After doing the adjustment there was a huge difference in depth. My Cibola now goes deeper than I care to dig I've decided to sell my Cibola and buy a Vaquero because I don't want to do a mod on the Cibola. Thanks for the info Polewagger.

 

[slingshot]

I have to reply to my own last post. Following Polewagger's instructions, I opened up my Cibola and adjusted the trimmer to neutral gb on freq. 2. After doing the adjustment there was a huge difference in depth. My Cibola now goes deeper than I care to dig I've decided to sell my Cibola and buy a Vaquero because I don't want to do a mod on the Cibola. Thanks for the info Polewagger.

Why would you sell it? And get a Vaquero?

 

[pine3874]

I have to reply to my own last post. Following Polewagger's instructions, I opened up my Cibola and adjusted the trimmer to neutral gb on freq. 2. After doing the adjustment there was a huge difference in depth. My Cibola now goes deeper than I care to dig I've decided to sell my Cibola and buy a Vaquero because I don't want to do a mod on the Cibola. Thanks for the info Polewagger.

Why would you sell it? And get a Vaquero?

Because I don't want to have to open up the unit every time I need to adjust the GB and take a chance of messing something up.

 

[slingshot]

I have to reply to my own last post. Following Polewagger's instructions, I opened up my Cibola and adjusted the trimmer to neutral gb on freq. 2. After doing the adjustment there was a huge difference in depth. My Cibola now goes deeper than I care to dig I've decided to sell my Cibola and buy a Vaquero because I don't want to do a mod on the Cibola. Thanks for the info Polewagger.

Why would you sell it? And get a Vaquero?

Because I don't want to have to open up the unit every time I need to adjust the GB and take a chance of messing something up.

I was thinking you could change frequencies and keep up with any variations.