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DeepTech

Cibola and Vaquero...my opinion

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I'm very impressed with both! No bull, just my honest opinion. The best depth of any Tesoro in the price ranges and excellent Disc and Sens. I dug one cuff button at nine inches (measured) with a good tone both ways. No problem Disc'g out square nails in minimum Disc. I really like these detectors! Good hunting, David @ Dixie <center><a href="http://www.dixie-metal-detectors.com"><img src="/metal/html/d-m.jpg"></center>
 
By doing what Tesoro refers to as "super tuning", one can add an inch or two in "useable depth." Both detectors are pretty close, if not actually, equal in depth to the Tejon.
Once all the control levels are set to your liking on the Cibola, didn't check the Vaquero, just advance the threshold to maximum. Changes the audio from modulated (closer the target, louder the audio) so the same target at any detectable depth has the same audio loudness. Makes it seem like a completely different detector and makes the pinpoint mode useless. I find it just as easy to pinpoint in disc mode as in AM mode anyway.
The above procedure coupled with the 5.75" coil gets incredible depth on small targets.
The discriminate on either the C or V is at least equal to and possibly better than any Tesoro, including some of the smooth running big box Bandidos, Silver Sabres plus other models.
Both detectors can be used with maximum sensitivity in every place I've tried them.
In you want deep, accurate discriminate and ease of use, you will like either detector.
HH,
Ty
 
Old trick that has been used on different machines for years, many Tesoros included. If I remember correctly, when the Tejon came out, some of us mentioned that the "fixed threshold" level of the disc. mode on that machine seemed to have the threshold maxed out, as turned out to be the case. Tesoro denied any "threshold trickery", but have now discovered this new "super tuning" (?)
Anyway, it's good to see some substantiated posts and information on the new machines now that they are getting out in the field, instead of the hype and blather over on the other forum. I don't know who is shooting who in the foot over there, but at least they are pitting Tesoro against Tesoro this time...... <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol"> Bevis and Butthead don't seem to know when to leave well enough alone.
I hope the new machines do well for Tesoro........
 
Hi David,
What kind of results are you getting in areas of heavy iron mineralization compared to the Tejon ? I've seen mixed reviews (hype and claims?) that totally contradict each other on other forums, so it would be interesting to hear whay you and Ty think of these new machines in bad ground compared to other brands operating at lower frequencies, such as maybe the ML Advantage or ?
Appreciate the info......
Ralph
 
different than the "old" S/T that can be used on several detectors as you mentioned.
When the threshold is advanced to or almost to max on the Cibola, the audio is no longer modulated audio as when the threshold is advanced on an Eldorado for instance. With the Eldo, "super tuned," the deeper signals are louder, but shallow signals remain even louder.
When this is done to the Cibola, the audio response loudness is exactly the same on a quarter at one inch and at 10 inches. Any detectable target produces the same loudness regardless of depth.
HH,
Ty
 
....or if the increase from modulated to saturated audio via the threshold increase is something inherent in digital circuits vs. their analog counterparts or a difference in overall audio gain levels ? Either way, sounds like a good feature to have the availability of both.
 
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The sensitivity knob on the analog Treasure Barons is actually discrimination mode threshold control. The sensitivity is preset to maximum and by turning the knob it goes from modulated to fully saturated audio. Like Ty said about the new Tesoros, at maximum setting a coin at 5 inches and 10 inches sound the same in air tests but there's a slight modulation past 7-8 inches deep on inground coins. George intentionally did it that way when he designed the Barons in the early 90's, but as you know that technique goes farther back. We used to do the same thing in reverse with the tuning control on the old TR's, running the threshold in the silent range, aka CoinStrike, so as to miss some of the deep iron that wasn't small enough for the TR's not to see.
JB
 
That sounds kind of like the Audio Boost on the Fisher CZ's. With the volume set at 5 or lower you have modulated audio but once you go above 5 or 6 all targets no matter how deep or shallow have the same target volume. The Explorers can be set to do that to by setting thier Audio Gain to 10. I always liked that feature as you rarely miss a deep target because of it being too faint.
HH
Beachcomber
 
I haven't done extensive field tests, but I'm working on it. I am a person that uses "air tests" to familiarize myself with audio tones and discrimination settings more than judging "approximate" depth speculation. In the field I try to replicate what beginners and intermediate Detectorists will encounter. However, that said, when I metal detecting for relics, I do my own thing. This is based on my experience as I hope to find as many relics as possible, and at times that can be slim pickin's. Personally, I'm very impressed with both models. I do agree; in most scenario's, they can give the same depth as the Tejon. However, please remember: an experienced Tejon owner that has achieved skill with his detector can ultimately out do intermediate Detectorists in certain ground/soil conditions. He/She will know how to adapt to changing soil, moisture content and ground conductivity. They may be able to out perform the C or V. I agree with Ty on Super Tuning. At times it can make a big difference, just as increasing or decreasing Gain after Ground Balancing in All Metal and switching to Disc mode. Many factors and especially skill/experience can play a big role in the ultimate performance of your detector. But right out of the box, the Cibola and Vaquero are both great detectors. Any beginner can use the Cibola and even get the hang of the Vaquero quickly, especially with a little help from his/her dealer. I'm very happy with both. Good hunting, David @ Dixie <center><a href="http://www.dixie-metal-detectors.com"><img src="/metal/html/d-m.jpg"></center>
 
What about the <STRONG>all-metal </STRONG>mode of the Vaquero? I have not seen very much information posted on the all-metal mode of operation. Thus far it seems to be a preferred DISC mode type of detector based upon the posts that I have read. Of course, most detectorists hunt in DISC mode and I understand this, but for those of us who prefer the all-metal mode of operation I wonder how the Vaquero measures up against other Tesoro models.
Am I correct in assuming that you have to move the DISC knob to all-metal, click it into position there, start weeping, but then you have to move the knob BACK to the DISC set point you want to use to check the target?
That can't be right? Can it? Sounds like a lot of knob turning for those who may prefer to use the all-metal mode of operation. If this is true, then the Tejon would have an edge I would think with those dual DISC controls.
What about the all-metal mode threshold sound? Does it waver, or become unstable at very low levels? Maybe the DISC mode of operation benefits at higher audio levels of the threshold, but usually <u>not</u> in the all-metal mode.
Any comments on any of this? I do not presently own a Tesoro, but it looks like the selections are indeed improving !!
J in VA
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and I am wondering if you have found that the Vaquero does the same thing? Thanks.
 
<STRONG>"What about the all-metal mode of the Vaquero? I have not seen very much information posted on the all-metal mode of operation."</STRONG>... Most of the posters hunt in the silent-search Disc. mode and only use the All Metal pinpoint mode. The only real advantage the Vaquero has over the Cibola is the manual GB. The advantage comes when opting to use different coils and/or hunting a wide range of ground environments as you can balance the detector to the coil and/or mineralization at had.
Few search in the All Metal mode and the autotune speed of the two new models stinks! It is <EM>way too fast</EM> for really efficient All Metal mode searches, or for sizing & shaping.
<STRONG>"Thus far it seems to be a preferred DISC mode type of detector based upon the posts that I have read. Of course, most detectorists hunt in DISC mode and I understand this, but for those of us who prefer the all-metal mode of operation I wonder how the Vaquero measures up against other Tesoro models."</STRONG>... The Autotune in All Metal seems to be as fast, if not faster, than the Eldorado was when first released. There were a lot of complaints about that and they did a revision (and offered to 'fix' those who wanted the autotune slowed down) to future models. The 'fix' was a little better, but I still felt it could have been slowed down.
<STRONG>"Am I correct in assuming that you have to move the DISC knob to all-metal, click it into position there, start weeping, but then you have to move the knob BACK to the DISC set point you want to use to check the target?"</STRONG>... Yes, quite correct. The Vaquero, it appears, was really designed for Disc. mode searches with checks using the PP function. All Metal mode operation calls for Disc. knob adjustment.
<STRONG>"That can't be right? Can it?"</STRONG>... Well it is the way it is. Is it <EM>"right?"</EM> Not how I would have done it, but that's how it is.
<STRONG>"Sounds like a lot of knob turning for those who may prefer to use the all-metal mode of operation."</STRONG>... Yep, but with the super-speed AM mode autotune it's not going to be relished by those who spend time hunting in All Metal.
<STRONG>"If this is true, then the Tejon would have an edge I would think with those dual DISC controls."</STRONG>... I guess, and the Tej
 
Reading the messages on the Cibola and Vaquero for several weeks now.
Got mine today (Vaquero) including a 8,5" widscan coil.
I know the conditions over here are totaly different from yours, because it is not possible to hunt in all metall overhere, you will go crazy if you did.
So hunting in all metal is not an option for us europeans, use to hunt with the Tejon and was not satisfied with it, i even send it to england for modification, but had to sold it.
Did some air tests with the Vaquero and must say it was very impressive.
Our mayor complaints was the built quality of Tesoro, mean the knobs, they move too easilly and noticed that the knobs on the Vaquero where more ????? (sorry do not know the word in english)
Will keep you posted when i test it on roman fields and the beach over here in the Netherlands.
HH, Ronald
 
No, my Vaquero doesn't go crazy with chatter when I lay it down like my Tejon. I know exactly what you are talking about, the Tejon will chatter like crazy while you lay it down to dig a target but it will quit when you pick it up and start swinging again. The new machines are super quiet and discriminate very well but I don't think that they get as deep as the Tejon. I have both the Vaquero and Cibola.
 
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