Chopped signals?

[samuel_schumaker]

Hi all, i joined the forum last spring when i first recieved my se pro. Dont remember if i ever posted but i did learn a lot about it. I hunted some this past spring and summer but not much more then just my own yard finding a little clad and several wheat pennies dating back to 1927. Never did find silver, finally yesterday i decided to go try the local fairgrounds. Since right across the alley from my shop where i work is where the bleachers sat for the talent show and pedel tractor pull. The bleachers were removed about 2 years and i havent seen anyone detect the actuall area where the bleachers are at. Most people just detect the big area where the rides and games are at. Well the second signal yesterday was my first silver. Just a 1960 rosie but it got me excited. I also pulled a little over a dollar in clad in the hour i had for my lunch break. Today i decided to try again and found several dimes and a couple old memorials, a kids hear shaped earing and a roach pin i think they are called like old ladys wear. Im pretty sure its just a cheap thing that looks like gold and has fake diamonds surrounding a larger stone in the middle. Anyways, my question is this. I am hearing lots of broken or chopped signals. I have heard these anywhere that i hunt and just wondered what the main cause for them are. Its like you get a quick good sounding signal but its cut short with like a clunking sound. I have fast and deep off and for now i am running in the factory program. I sometimes use iron mask at 22 but either way i seem to get lots of the chopped up signals, also a lot of one way good sounding signals but then they wont repeat and trying to pinpoint them is almost impossible because theres lots of ferous targets present also. I am thinking after i get what i can out of this area i will order a smaller coil and try and seperate some more of the trash from coins. Am i doing something wrong to make the machine give me all these clunking signals? I have tried semi auto sensitivity and also manual set anywhere from 18-25. I havent recoverd any very deep targets at this spot yet and i suppose its because of all the other targets that are shallower. The silver dime was only about 2 inches down and most of the clad has been just under the surface and up to 2 inches. If anyone has any suggestions for me i would appreciate it, Thanks a lot, PS i have done a ton of research online forums and i also have Andy's book but it seems this topic i just cant figure out. Thanks

 

[sgoss66]

First, you are hunting some TOUGH SPOTS for someone still learning. You are talking about ADVANCED SKILLS (picking good targets from a trash pit); that will tend to frustrate you. Nothing wrong with a challenge, of course, but that can be audio overload, listening to all that (until you really know how to sort it all out)! The choppy, "cut short" tones with a "thunk" at the end are usually iron...but -- DIG A FEW OF THEM, and prove it to yourself! No, you aren't doing anything wrong. That's part of the "language" of the Explorers that has to be learned. The ONLY way to learn it is to DIG those "weird" sounds, repeatedly, until you feel confident you know what they are when you hear them (and then, you learn to "ignore them.")

Steve

 

[samuel_schumaker]

Thanks for your replys steve, the area does have a lot of targets and is pretty noisey but when i first started using this machine all i hunted were old farmsteads where the houses are falling down or completely gone and let me tell you what there is a bunch of iron and nails and trash everywhere around them. I never really found anything decent and decided i would try a local place like this fairground so that i could atleast dig some clad to kind of see what a coin sized object sounds like again. The shallow clad is easy to find and gives off a great loud and repeating signal.I just cant believe theres that many trash targets in this area. The biggest problem i am having is when i get a signal that hits and then blanks or makes that clunking sound or changes tones is trying to figure out if its the machine trying to decide if its a target to detect or null or if its becasue there is another target close by and its throwing it off. The other problem is, where these bleachers were was kind of a mix of wood mulch that they let grow into grass but never really seeded it. Well the grass was good enough that it looked decent during the summers but now all the grass is dormant and looks brown obviously because its winter and its been a dry one. well cutting a plug is almost impossible because the ground just falls apart and its hard to make it look like you wasnt there because the grass isnt very think to begin with, now i realize since it doesnt look the best to begin with that it isnt gonna look perfect but im afraid if i dig every single target that even has a decent one way sound to it then i will dig literally every 6 inches. Later in the spring when the grass starts growing and we get some rains im sure i will be able to cut a plug and get into those deeper targets. Seems if i try and dig down over 6 inches i end up with a pile of loose dirt with nothing to cover the top with. Guess its just the scenario i have without it having a good stand of grass to begin with. Im just gonna keep detecting away and start digging more of the signals that i have been skipping and just have to learn it. I have a place i am gonna target this spring before the farmer plants his corn, its the older county fairgrounds where there was also a horse race track from the late 1860's until probly the 1920's. I know the targets are gonna be deep so i am hoping to atleast have a little better experince before that time. A few others have detected it but there is not many around this area and its a big field, i know theres still coins there to be had. Thanks for the help, Sam

 

[cladkiller]

Sam, does it sound like a drum beat? if it does, i was having the same problem, i started digging those drum beat sounds and most of the time it was iron, i also started turning my sensitivity down a bit when it was happening alot that seemed to help some,
like steve said its a learning proses,
David

 

[detecterx]

Put it in all metal... does it still clunk... if yes what's the id. If the clunk stops and you can id it. Odds are the audio response is faster and your discrimination is trying to catch up. Try snail crawling the area. Sweep a lot slower, annoying slower.

HH,

Tom

 

[chuck ky]

under bleachers can be one of the trashiest places you may hunt.

 

[scott (wi)]

Whenever I get an iffy signal what I try to do is see if I can get that APPROXIMATE SAME SIGNAL repeatedly ... repeatedly is important ... at the EXACT SAME LOCATION ... exact is important ... when moving the coil in the SAME DIRECTION. When that happens you can then coax out a better tone with slight changes of direction or slowing/narrowing of swing.

I think I know what you mean about those clunky signals and they rarely amount to anything for me.

 

[samuel_schumaker]

Yes it sounds like a drum beat, a loud tone cut short by a clunk, similar to a drum stick hitting a drum. Very annoying but i find that probly 30 percent of the sounds that i hear are this way. Also while im asking, is everyones smartscreen slow to update or is there something wrong with mine? I have used other brand detectors and never seen one so slow to respond. And if you move back and forth over a target thats repeating rapidly it doesnt even move. you have to stop moving to get it to update? This is probly the only thing i compeletly dislike and dont understand why its so slow. Its when im hearing different tones close together and having to stop to get an update on the crosshairs. Its frustrating

 

[TokenDigger]

Since you are in a trashy area, you may want to try using a smaller coil so the trash isn't overlapping the good stuff. It's just a suggestion but it has worked for me, especially when you don't have to go too deep. HH

 

[detecterx]

It is because you have to many targets under your coil at one time. It is not registering fast enough on the smart screen because your sweep speed is to fast and it is attempting to update the last target it processed. It wont update fast because it can't discern what target to pick. You the user have to show the machine what signal you want it to work on (minelab wiggle). Audio signals cut short is your discrimination attempting to block out unwanted targets but is unable to because it can't compensate with the speed you are moving at. It simply can't hang with your pace in trash and can't process all the multiple targets under the coil at one time in a brief second of your swing.

You machine operates just like mine, and I have absolutely no issues what so ever. Don't forget you can always send it in to minelab...

HH,
Tom

 

[Big Boys Hobbies]

Great post! Lots to learn from this post. Smaller coils really help in those areas!

 

[teleman2525]

all i can say is some of those same sounds you tell of have lead me to silver coins possible near iron ive dug a few of them to call it a silver clunk worth at least checking out good hunting to you