Thanks for the chat Leslie and a big thanks to everyone else for the great welcome I,ve recieved. I am using an F5 which I,m really pleased with, learning new stuff every time I use it. I use a hunting knife for hunts on grass and a screwdriver for the easier targets. When I started a few months ago I went mad trying to get a Lesche digger but gave up because it costs far too much with shipping etc. Cant remember the exact figures but it was something like 18$ for the tool and 45$ for the shipping , cant understand why a UK dealer has,nt jumped in here because all the people I know in detecting circles would love to own one, but since using my knife for a while I,m quite happy to stick with it. Got two stubble fields arranged for the weekend,cant wait, update soon.