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Can you tell me where General Stuart is ........ :cam:
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I had to write a full Operations Order for the Plan of Battle from Virginia to Pennsylvania and down into Washington with complete back planning for Lee to, not only beat Meade, but capture DC as well in by 8 July while still leaving sufficient security to cover attacks coming from Baltimore and Philidelphia.
In my long-term After Action Report, I had to assess the impacts of my results. Here were some of my basic conclusions...
This one major Southern victory would have brought in British Troops on the Confederate side and French/Spanish supplies directly into the war as the southern blockades would have had to have been dropped for the Union to protect Northern harbors.
Negotiations would have begun in earnest giving the CSA its sovereignty including the southwest territories of Arizona, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Kansas Southern California (up to San Jose, just south of San Francisco), as well as the state of Missouri. The war would have been completely over by the spring of the following year due to the wide-spread riots of immigrants in Northern cities and refusal to continue serving in the Union forces.
The CSA would then have probably invaded Mexico for Baja and the northern Mexican states for land and labor. This would later have given them claim to entire Gulf of Mexico and they would have annexed all islands from Cuba to Puerto Rico and the entire Central American lands to what is now the Colombian border. Slavery would have been abandoned within 30 years simply due to the impracticality of it in the face of the continuing Industrial Revolution.
The USA would have had to take Canada to War for British Columbia, Quebec to safeguard the Great Lakes, St. Lawrence River and inter-Alaskan waters for shipping and fishing rights.
There would be no Canada, Mexico, Central America or Carribean states. The outbreak of WWI would have an interesting impact on both the CSA and USA as to whether relations had improved enough for us to fight on the same side in Europe, bring the fight to the Americas or just not get involved at all, letting Europe fall to the Prussians. It's my belief that the CSA would have become the unspoken leader of the lower Americas and stayed neutral while the USA would have allied itself with the Europeans and even Tsarist Russia. As to which side it would have supported or even fought for in WWI is anyone's guess.
If there had been no physical support in Europe, the Austro-Prussian alliance would have prevailed. Of course, THEN there would have been no Hitler in the 30's to encourage a defeated and demoralized Germany to build a war machine. So WWII would have been a purely Pacific affair with the Japanese taking all of Asia from Britain and France. We wouldn't have cared about the Phillipines because we were never there and Hawaii probably would still be a British thing to lose. So there would be no December 7th for us. There would probably have never been a Panama Canal either. The CSA would have merely built two giant ports at the cities of Panama and Colon and used rails to transport goods the 56 miles across the isthmus. Trade and consumer prices would have reflected this world-wide.
How North America would have fared through the Depression as two separate nations under two different plans for recovery is also interesting. Would we have gone to war AGAIN...for food?
So many possible futures, many of which we might never imagine, might have happened...wonderful and terrifying...All for the want of a few horses and eyes with which to see and a mouth to speak of it to Lee.
I'll take the "future" we were given and give thanks for it.
God Bless and Long Live the UNITED States of America and the liberties and freedoms SHE gives to this earth today.
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In my long-term After Action Report, I had to assess the impacts of my results. Here were some of my basic conclusions...
This one major Southern victory would have brought in British Troops on the Confederate side and French/Spanish supplies directly into the war as the southern blockades would have had to have been dropped for the Union to protect Northern harbors.
Negotiations would have begun in earnest giving the CSA its sovereignty including the southwest territories of Arizona, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Kansas Southern California (up to San Jose, just south of San Francisco), as well as the state of Missouri. The war would have been completely over by the spring of the following year due to the wide-spread riots of immigrants in Northern cities and refusal to continue serving in the Union forces.
The CSA would then have probably invaded Mexico for Baja and the northern Mexican states for land and labor. This would later have given them claim to entire Gulf of Mexico and they would have annexed all islands from Cuba to Puerto Rico and the entire Central American lands to what is now the Colombian border. Slavery would have been abandoned within 30 years simply due to the impracticality of it in the face of the continuing Industrial Revolution.
The USA would have had to take Canada to War for British Columbia, Quebec to safeguard the Great Lakes, St. Lawrence River and inter-Alaskan waters for shipping and fishing rights.
There would be no Canada, Mexico, Central America or Carribean states. The outbreak of WWI would have an interesting impact on both the CSA and USA as to whether relations had improved enough for us to fight on the same side in Europe, bring the fight to the Americas or just not get involved at all, letting Europe fall to the Prussians. It's my belief that the CSA would have become the unspoken leader of the lower Americas and stayed neutral while the USA would have allied itself with the Europeans and even Tsarist Russia. As to which side it would have supported or even fought for in WWI is anyone's guess.
If there had been no physical support in Europe, the Austro-Prussian alliance would have prevailed. Of course, THEN there would have been no Hitler in the 30's to encourage a defeated and demoralized Germany to build a war machine. So WWII would have been a purely Pacific affair with the Japanese taking all of Asia from Britain and France. We wouldn't have cared about the Phillipines because we were never there and Hawaii probably would still be a British thing to lose. So there would be no December 7th for us. There would probably have never been a Panama Canal either. The CSA would have merely built two giant ports at the cities of Panama and Colon and used rails to transport goods the 56 miles across the isthmus. Trade and consumer prices would have reflected this world-wide.
How North America would have fared through the Depression as two separate nations under two different plans for recovery is also interesting. Would we have gone to war AGAIN...for food?
So many possible futures, many of which we might never imagine, might have happened...wonderful and terrifying...All for the want of a few horses and eyes with which to see and a mouth to speak of it to Lee.
I'll take the "future" we were given and give thanks for it.
God Bless and Long Live the UNITED States of America and the liberties and freedoms SHE gives to this earth today.
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General Ray
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even if Lee did get by Meads Army and some how take Washington his Army would have been almost cut in half leaving him with only maybe 40,000 troops, he would not have been able to hold Washington long enough to get help from the British before General Grant and other Union forces closed in on him and cut his Army off.
It is often said that the North fought the battle of the States with one arm, they had many more people by the millions and if they had to they would have bought that other arm around and over whelm the south with man power and General Lee knew this. General Lee did not want to go to war against his country, America, and infact was offered the head of the Union Army but turn it down because he could not rise his sword against his beloved Virginia, I get a sense that General Lee knew the south couldn't win the war but did his duty for his Virginia.
Just my thoughts, any how like you said, it all worked out for the better, by the way, who's the fella with the painted face in the picture!
It is often said that the North fought the battle of the States with one arm, they had many more people by the millions and if they had to they would have bought that other arm around and over whelm the south with man power and General Lee knew this. General Lee did not want to go to war against his country, America, and infact was offered the head of the Union Army but turn it down because he could not rise his sword against his beloved Virginia, I get a sense that General Lee knew the south couldn't win the war but did his duty for his Virginia.
Just my thoughts, any how like you said, it all worked out for the better, by the way, who's the fella with the painted face in the picture!
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General Ray
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other arm around and the civil war would have ended two years early'er then it did.
Here's a great book Art writen by the late Shelby Foote, writer and Civil War Historian, Shelby Foote wrote Lee didn't have time and knew it but pushed on, great read, the book title, " Stars in Their Courses, The Gettysburg Campaign June-July 1863 "
Here's a great book Art writen by the late Shelby Foote, writer and Civil War Historian, Shelby Foote wrote Lee didn't have time and knew it but pushed on, great read, the book title, " Stars in Their Courses, The Gettysburg Campaign June-July 1863 "
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Lee's troops enter Washington DC and capture the white house. after many cups of hot coffee, Abe Lincoln sobers up and utters his first words to his captors "I freed who???"
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