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Can we talk a little about Tracking.

NH Bob

New member
As you know I GB with the auto button and update that often in my hunt.
I have been so tempted to use the tracking but I'm uncomfortable with the feeling that I might miss one of my deeeep targets that first come in as a barely audible blip.
Let me explain further. In my areas and hunting conditions I am swinging a little faster than if I were on someones lawn. When I hit that little blip I was telling you about, it could be lost if the tracking were on and incorporated the small iron in the ground as it makes its adjustments. Hope you're with me so far.
When I GB I find a clean spot on the ground to do it. With tracking it adjusts itself over all the stuff in the ground. So now I wouldn't hear it and my Deeepies would also be lost.
Please correct any part of this as I want to know more about tracking. Am looking for personal use input here from you, Bill, Randy and anyone who uses it regularly.
Thank you Bob.
 
Bob, I am not sure but if I'm wrong this is how you learn.Tracking tracks all objects in the ground,but if you live where their is medium mineralisation to low that you probable wouldn't need to use tracking if you x-terra is properly ground balanced.If I'm wrong maybe someone will point me in the right direction.
crowduck
 
G,day Bob. I use tracking where I hunt for gold as mostly the ground chops and changes every few inches from neg to pos balance. A friend of mine just emailed me before about how he is now going fixed ground balance but the area he hunts is fairly tame so its makes sense his choice. Personally when I hunt for coins and relics though in disc mode I use fixed and prefer it that way. A few years back I was running for a while a Eureka gold and if you used Tracking on that machine whilst using the discrimination you could only really trust the first say two passes of the coil over any given target and any subsequent pass would/could misclassify or weaken the response. I honestly have not done a huge amount of trialling with the 70 with tracking as opposed to fixed with discriminating for coins and relics but would be fairly confident that the results may be very similar.
Even when gold detecting in Tracking I will not hover or multiple sweep over a target. I will detect it with one or maximum two passes and allow it to track or balance to the ground near it before hitting it again to have another listen. If its faint I may even go into fixed until I recover it.
Good question though.
Have a good one.
 
The Tracking GB mode does not update itself fast enough to cause you to miss individual targets. Not even the ones you refer to as "deepies". To clarify, when you first switch into Tracking, the X-70 does adjust itself quickly for the first three or four seconds. But after that, it slows down the rate of speed to which it is making the GB changes. And, as long as you are not repeatedly sweeping back and forth over the same target, it will only adjust as the mineralization changes.

You mention that you find a clean spot to GB the X-Terra. That tells me that the site is not totally saturated with iron. And you also stated that you have to update the GB setting often. That tells me that the mineralization level does vary at the sites you hunt. Based on those two statements, I believe you would benefit from using the Tracking mode. Tracking mode will automatically update the X-Terra for the proper GB setting, based on mineralization changes. Tracking GB will not cause you to miss those little blips. And, those tiny bits of iron scattered around the site will not change the GB settings when using Tracking. Especially since you said you swept the coil fairly rapidly.

Once you have located a viable target, switch off the Tracking mode before "zooming in" on it. Repeated Xing over the individual target in the Tracking mode will cause the X-Terra to adjust the GB level based on the target and not the mineralization.


Randy
 
Good post Digger! I can only add that in my experience tracking on when working iron infested sites is the way to run the X-70 if you want better hits on those "iffys". This is not your daddys Minelab.

Tom
 
Hi Bob,

I posted this to you a while back. Have you tried it out yet in some iron trashy areas?

tracking

Also

euro view
 
Good questions, Bob, and some great answers, too.

I've never used tracking, fearing the same results as you expected; but now with explanations I better understand how tracking works. Near the Des Moines River area, which I hunt a lot, is where the mineralization can vary quite a bit. Hope to give these tips a try this weekend.
 
1. Locate & mark a deep iffy target using your standard method.
2. Take a few steps away and locate a target free area.
3. Turn Track on and swing coil about two inches above ground while counting 10 elephants(X70 is in Fast/Turbo/Rapid GB mode for ~5 seconds).
4. Walk back towards marked target with coil in motion, make sure to approach on original hunt heading to assure same orientation.
5. Once over target, swing coil over it & count how many elephants till target response changes.

The above experiment will take into effect your coil, machine settings, ground conditions, & coil movement habits.

You are just as likely to miss a deep target with Tracking off in rapidly changing ground as by having one GB'd out by the Tracking.

Below is illustrated a scenario I constantly face. The following should be viewed as a cross section of a beach with the sand having gravel/cobble veins laying within it. As you walk along the sand you cannot see the cobble/gravel veins as they approach the surface unless one breaks through the surface or you dig a target and hit the layer.

As the highly mineralised gravel/cobble approaches the surface it affects the GB without one noticing until it becomes so severe the machine begins to spit, that is with Tracking off, with Tracking on much of this change is taken care of automatically. I can be in sand reading 17-18, step one foot and now it's 7-8, a ten point shift right now.
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Lastly, the cobble fields I hunt contain rocks that are so diverse that there is no ground per se, there are hundreds of grounds all within a few feet of each other with their own particular correct GB point. Only two detectors I've owned have been able to tame the cobble fields, Fisher CZ's & the X70 with Tracking on. On other VLF's the sensitivity has to be turned down or they will false/spit.

HH
BarnacleBill
 
Bob,

Two of the most likely-to-compare models on the market are the Minelab X-Terra 70 and White's MXT, mainly because there two multi-purpose models feature a fast auto-tracking circuitry.

I had four (4) of the MXT's and one of the things I generally did was balance the unit and then 'Lock' it at that GB setting. Very seldom do did I use the tracking function with the MXT, M6, XLT or XL Pro.

What especially impressed me about the X-Terra 70 was the added feature of Auto GB and Manual GB. Personally, I prefer to have control over most functions of any detector, and this especially applies to dealing with ground environment challenges.

One thing that I have experienced with both the fast-tracking M6 and MXT in the highly mineralized ground where I usually hunt is the potential to 'lose' a smaller, deeper or "iffy" target. By "lose" I mean either I didn't get a response on the 2nd or 3rd, sweep, or in a few instances I didn't hear the target at all on the initial sweep. This is when evaluating the detector over several target hits located with another make/model or with the tracking locked on the M6/MXT.

I also worked them with and with-out tracking when evaluating potentially good targets (non-ferrous) in a mix of iron trash.

Along comes the X-Terra 70 with more operator-control of the Ground Balance function. I was pleased! I took it to the same locations where I had known located targets nd compare the X-Terra 70 with the MXT using a fixed GB and the Tracking functions of both.

When finished with my comparisons I came to the conclusion that both of them might miss some deeper, questionable targets when using the auto-tracking feature, but the X-Terra 70 did do a little better. I was able to get a first or second sweep hit off of a smaller, deeper target that the MXT either didn't respond to, or only responded to on the first pass.

To compare how fast their tracking circuitry worked I let my friend try it for a demonstration. I had him stand in a wood-chip playground where the chip-fill is several inches deep and the X-Terra 70 would GB with a GBRN (Ground Balance Reference Number) of 43-44. Then I lined out a straight path for him to walk, sweeping the coil at HIS typical sweep speed. This 15-18 foot walk took him towards the grassy park corned, across some lawn (GBRN or 14) and onto some bare dirt (GBRN or 12). He was used to using his DFX and moved along rather briskly. Not the speed that I would hunt, and the X-Terra 70 was very quick to adjust the TGB. Faster than an MXT I compared at this same location and same 'test' walk site.

I found that interesting because while the X-T 70, for me in my tests, seemed to track the ground a little faster, it also retained some good smaller/deeper target performance compared to the MXT.

Naturally, different coils would also possibly change the performance., but in the end I determined that I really like the X-Terra 70's Tracking function. I used it more than I did that of the MXT or M^. However, I am still used to setting the GB myself after all these years and that's what I prefer to do.

Maybe you can locate an area to grid off and hunt it with the X-T 70 manually balanced and use golf tees to mark targets you would go after that might be questionable. Then, re-hunt the site using the Tracking function and see if it makes any difference for you, good or bad. Then YOU will know what it offers YOU! :) I know I like it in lower mineralized sites that are lower in trash, but there aren't many of them around here. :(

Monte

PS: My friends, Cris & Tom are in the NE again and are eager for any invites to take them to hunt older-coin sites. They use the Minelab Explorers and would love to see how the X-Terra 70's do in the same area.

Chris' cell phone number is (503)309-6940 and they will be traveling in MA, NH, PA and other NE locations. The brought rain gear and cold weather gear, so if you're inclined, give them a call and see if you can meet up with them. :)
 
Thanx Bill,
I understand what you've just said. I just got home from a hunt and was showing Ron the rapid change in the soil in my yard, from 7 to 17 in about 8'
This is great info for everyone. thanx again.
 
Thanx for the input Monte. You've all helped a great deal.
How long are Cris and Tom in the area for?
 
from what I understand. Anyone willing to brave the weather and work some sites that might produce some old silver or other dated coins are encouraged to call them at Chris' cell number: (503)309-6940

All they are using are those heavy, clunky, out=-of-balance Minelab Explorers which make them have to hunt at a snails pace so everyone using a faster sweep X-Terras or White's or Garrett or Tesoro might want to call, invite them to come spend a day or two at some old parks or other sites, and "teach them a thing or two!" ;)

Seriously, they are both very devoted detectorists and will maybe put every 4th or 5th old coin back in the ground for you for future hunts. :lmfao:

Monte
 
Weather is terrable right now and I have the B.O.N.E. show this coming week end. I am leading a natural hunt on Fri. Morning and am cohunt master on Sun. That they should sign up for. Sat. I am going to help out at the Minelab table with who ever they send up here to work it. After that it might be posible to touch base with them.
 
other goodies.

My report from them this morning (about 12:30 pm Eastern time was:

CHRIS:
8-Barber 10
 
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