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Can someone please tell me how the ID Edge reacts to bottle caps?
- Thread starter RichW
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Jackpine Savage
Active member
Rich
Much better than the C$! Of course bottlecaps vary greatly in alloy and condition so you can't eliminate them all but it does as good or better in handling them than most. Some fresh ones read solid iron and others bounce all over heck from iron to the tab range depending on the angle. There are the occasional ones both old and new that will lock on but not many. I have one old site with lots of deep rusty ones where the C$ and T2 loved em but haven't had the Edge there yet. When I get a chance I'll swing by there the next time I'm in the area and see how it does.
Tom
Much better than the C$! Of course bottlecaps vary greatly in alloy and condition so you can't eliminate them all but it does as good or better in handling them than most. Some fresh ones read solid iron and others bounce all over heck from iron to the tab range depending on the angle. There are the occasional ones both old and new that will lock on but not many. I have one old site with lots of deep rusty ones where the C$ and T2 loved em but haven't had the Edge there yet. When I get a chance I'll swing by there the next time I'm in the area and see how it does.
Tom
I'm finding a lot of newer machines like them much better than the older machines. My CZ-6A almost always gives 1 way nickel signals on them. Never had much of a problem with them with the older Tesoros and I don't recall a problem at all with them when I used a 1236X about 1 year ago. I'm wondering why some of the newer machines read them much higher on the coin scale.
Jackpine Savage
Active member
I really don't know why the newer machines like bottle caps so much. I do know that the ones that are good at seeing coins in iron like the C$ like them a lot so... perhaps its in the software having to do with picking out the signature on those iffy co-located targets??? Since bottle caps read differently as you pass over them and the better new detectors are designed to pick out brief "coin like" signatures maybe the strong coin phase part of the bottlecap overrides and creates the lock on in the coin range???
The 1236 really likes deep small rusty wire and horse shoe nails. It will give the good soft whisper on tiny rusty slivers in my ground DEEP. The T2 is the same way here. I pity the engineers for trying to get the right balance between depth/seperation/ discrimination and please a majority of detectorists at the same time. All the newer machines are good but they all have their quirks to.
The Edge lacks a lot of features compared to others in its price range but it strikes a good balance performance wise. I understand Dimitar is no longer at First Texas which is sad to hear. Maybe some other detector manufacturer got him??
Tom
The 1236 really likes deep small rusty wire and horse shoe nails. It will give the good soft whisper on tiny rusty slivers in my ground DEEP. The T2 is the same way here. I pity the engineers for trying to get the right balance between depth/seperation/ discrimination and please a majority of detectorists at the same time. All the newer machines are good but they all have their quirks to.
The Edge lacks a lot of features compared to others in its price range but it strikes a good balance performance wise. I understand Dimitar is no longer at First Texas which is sad to hear. Maybe some other detector manufacturer got him??
Tom
Hey Tom, you are exactly right about the balance of depth/separation/ discrimination. It seems the units that are supposed to be good in iron trash are somewhat noisy, I guess that is something else they have to try to balance, noisy and quiet which also effect the other traits....Sometimes whatever special good trait a given detector may have, it's quirks makes it less desirable for general detecting.
Jackpine Savage
Active member
Until the Edge (and C$) came along the noisier detectors were the ones best for finding stuff in iron but you have to use the lowest disc setting you could tolerate hence the noise. The 1235 and 1236 were the gold standard for a long time but the clicks and pops with the disc set to just partially reject small iron/nails is not for everyone. Now with the Edge and a couple other newer machines you have the choice of hearing iron to find those older sites or discing out more of it for quieter operation without hurting performance. Thats a good thing for many detectorists.
Tom
Tom
Everett Cavanah
New member
Texas goofed letting Dimitar get away they lost the best of the best.
vlad
Well-known member
I don't think its the new machines so much as it is the different alloys used in "steel" bottlecaps. I have some nails that are heat treated zinc and vanadium, and are almost IMPOSSIBLE to detect in the air-yet a magnet picks them up. Check with Eric Foster on the PI Forum on some of the new alloys.
I have not had any problems with the CZ or C$ by running NO DISCRIMINATION. This adds the bass "bong" of iron to the false signal coming in at higher notches. Its very easy to pick out the good targets.
I have not had any problems with the CZ or C$ by running NO DISCRIMINATION. This adds the bass "bong" of iron to the false signal coming in at higher notches. Its very easy to pick out the good targets.
Jackpine Savage
Active member
he was just starting out in the detector field. Given time I think he could produce a truly ground breaking machine. The GB/auto track system on the Goldstrike/Coinstrike set a new standard for performance and he was one of the first to give us adjustable iron disc, not to mention quick response/recovery.
Tom
Tom