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Can Recovery Fast On help to ID rusted nails or iron?

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earthmansurfer

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Note the short 2 minute Youtube clip. I see this sometimes when switching between the Recovery Fast settings.

There are other variables to consider, like the coil size, ground moisture content, size of iron, sensitivity setting, etc. But I wondered if others have seen this before? My sensitivity was on 30 - perhaps the biggest culprit for iron falsing but I like running it hot, I just get more depth in my iron mineralized soil.

The ground was slightly moist but not at all saturated, light rain the day before and then it hadn't rained before that for days.

Do you get less falses with Recovery Fast On? I generally don't run it "on" as it clips and distorts the sound.

Note - there was no coin in the hole. I am presenting this just as a theory to help ID iron.

Thx,
Albert

PS - As usual I recommend watching it full screen in 480 resolution on Youtube (Click the Youtube link in the lower right corner and then adjust the display settings there.)

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf07tq5S54Y[/video]
 
Good Video

I have come to recognize these sounds for Iron but I tend to dig them because.....

There it goes, the Hunt for Silver

If I really want more discrimination about the Hit I may even change to TTF

This may or may not help as I have dug my share of trash with TTF too

Regards and HH
 
Hey Eva, Yeah, don't get me wrong, I dig a lot of deeper targets to learn the machine and I dig anything that is iffy. Doing the videos sorts of brings out the teacher in me (and for me to, as I like to re-watch them a bit to get more info).

That first hit in the video, from one direction, it sure looked good. I'm not positive on the sound yet as my ears need a few hundred more hours to really know. I wonder if some of the more experienced hunters can hear iron right away?

I have started checking more regularly in TTF and will do some hunts in it as well (mostly I'm just a conductive tone guy).

I don't mind digging the nails much, but it is a pain when videoing as I go through the checking motions, but I save a few of those videos to so as to look for clues that I miss when in the field.

Thanks for your comment,
Albert
 
Hello Albert, Thanks for new Video, you are rely grate teacher :thumbup:, but I want to ask you, what was in the hole in the Video end? your pinpointer was singing on something?:drinking: from my experience Etrac is more tend to jump on iron compare to explorer, pro coil too, but sometimes digging iron is not so bad.
 
Stasys - There was just the nail. My Pro-pointer is going bad as I opened it a while ago to make it quieter and pulled a wire off. My neighbor is an electronics guy and did a good job soldering it back up. But it is a tight fit and something ain't right. So, to make a long story short, it often starts to false softly like you saw there. But trust me, there was no silver coin at the bottom of the hole. Interesting about the E-Trac jumping more on iron. Unfortunately, in my iron mineralized ground, it jumps on deep coins. But, that is from the IRON mineralization, sort of as you said. Thanks Stasys - :)

Goes - I am starting to reconsider fast on as even though it distorts the sound and clips it, in very very bad iron it helps to pick out coins. I noticed that in a recent video for the first time and it took a long time and a lot of testing/videos to finally notice it. The only difference between that video and others was that the iron was was noticeably thicker. Now, this is a double edged sword (clipped sound vs possibly missing target in conductive). But, if I was in really heavy iron I think I might try fast on with audio long. I need to do that in older sites... Hey, I think that is what I will do when I hunt my old medieval castle on Wednesday... Hey, thanks for the inspiration!
 
EMS,very good video! That was a good signal alot of the time,I noticed your depth was moving up and down about a 1/2 inch to sometimes1 1/2 inchs, just curious,but did you check the plug for any signal?
 
I run fast on 99% of the time as well.If I am in a very clean site I might turn fast off but those kind of sites are almost non-existent where I detect.....I also have come to the conclusion that to little discrimination is as bad as to much when running in conductive tones.Once I learned to trust the E-Trac in coins mode my iron digging has slowed way down and my keepers have remained high.
 
Thanks for another great video EMS. I am going to look into fast-on for my next few hunts. I tend to leave it off but I see now where it might become useful. Thanks for your continued help. HH -Marc
 
I personally run recovery fast on most of the time and your video is a good example of why, did you notice how good the signal was with recovery fast off you really couldn't tell if it was iron or a good target, but when you switched fast on you could really tell it was an iron target by the way the signal was splotchy cutting in and out is a good sign of iron or lots of trash.

I personally love your videos they are very educational for the beginner or seasoned hunter I think we all can learn something from them keep up the good work and thank you Phil. :clapping:
 
Cool nice to have a teacher at this, Good job
 
Raymo - Great point about discriminate. And if I got you right I think this has to do with iron pulling good targets down in a more open screen. The E-Trac has some nice and effective programming when running discriminate - more so than other machines I've run (better separation on the discriminated target from the "good" one.)

Djay - my bad I don't think I did check the whole (and that is in general a bad habit of mine) so thanks for the reminder. The depth movement is often there due to the iron mineralized ground - I think. The placement of the nail exactly between the two "signals" and how it was laying made me pretty sure it was the nail. See, these videos get me in trouble sometimes! :tongue:

Glad you enjoyed it guys and I'll try to get more footage.

I really do wish the E-Trac (listen here Minelab) had a quicker shortcut method of switching settings in general. In situations like these it would be ideal. Because, I don't usually need recovery fast on. Recovery fast off works well enough in all but the worst iron and switching between the two between the different patches is a bit cumbersome though easier than a coil switch. Then again, this wasn't "bad iron" but rather just a nail that was falsing.

Niterider - If I understand you correctly, yes I noticed, in particular from the starting and ending angle - but more at the overall signal. But, you are right, recovery fast cuts signals short anyway (which is why many of us don't like to use it) BUT an iron false is often cut completely off, that might be a nice trade off. I have to start running it on again as I did when I first got it, you just have to pay much more attention to the signals. Thanks for the comment, I do think just seeing what is happening, not even so much with an educational intent, is material for advanced hunters to go through, review, etc.

BTW - If any of your more seasoned hunters have ideas, let me know and I'll try to get it on film. (The different sounds, I tried, it isn't captured well with the camera mic and playing with the threshold level is a real pain.)

Good hunting,
Albert
 
But, if I was in really heavy iron I think I might try fast on with audio long. I need to do that in older sites...
Albert I cant imagine recovery fast with Audio long? But maybe you will found something. In old places dig iron, some can be very nice items like keys, locks or nice medieval torture item :lmfao:
 
Albert,

How about trying the 4 tone option too. I've been using it, I've found 4 silver coins since turning on the detector in February. It has help me pick out the Slivers and Wheaties here.
 
Ken - I have thought about it and I wrote your suggestion down so I will play with it. I haven't tried it yet. (There isn't much to show on video regarding the sounds I think, but will make an effort and at least mention it hear if I find anything ;-) ).

It depends on where that transition point is for tone 3 to tone 4 is. The coins here are often in the upper 30 CO numbers and the 40 area as well. The Silver starts at 41 or 42 but most of it is at 44 or 45. So, if the cutoff is between the upper end of non silver then I think it might really help get my attention even more.
So, good idea.
 
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