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Hell everyone, I remember seeing someone here about a year or so ago with a nice write-up on determining what type of musket any given projectile was fired from by the measurments of the lands and grooves. I think it was Dave Poche'. Sorry if I misspelled the name. If it is Dave could you let me know if you need the measurements for this one or can you just look at the photo and be able to tell. This is one I found in N.C. and you can see the lands and grooves better than any I have ever found. I look forward to hearing from you...........Aaron
 
No expert, but looks like a common CW period fired 3 ringer. Need more detail; size comparison, type base etc.
 
I am familiar with the bullet, I was trying to determine what type of musket fired this round by looking at the lands and grooves. thanks though......Aaron
 
I need weight (ozs or grains), diameter and length and count number of barrel grooves (high places on bullet. Looks like you have 5 or 6, I'll try to figure it out. Definately was not fired from a musket. That's a smoothbore. Had to be a rifle. Could be modern or maybe a carbine.
Dave
 
Hi Dave, sorry I use the word musket loosely. The weight is 1.1 ounces. the length is 1 1/4 inches. The diameter is approx. 1 11/16. Thanks.........Aaron
 
HELP. What you gave me tell me diameter is bigger than length. What type of base?
Dave
 
You said diameter and was thinking circumfrence. Sorry, the base is slightly oval from being fired, but it is approx. 1/2 inch. It has a cone base with a flat bottom. I forget what thats called and I don't have a bullet book in front of me. Thanks Dave........Aaron
 
Aaron:
Your bullet appears to be a .54 Caliber Rifled Musket Bullet of Southern Manufacture probably at the Charleston Arsenal It is T&T139 and M&M 416 The caliper diameter is .537 by my calculations. bullet has 6 grooves and lands =grooves in size. Now what fired it? almost all 6 groove bullets were from breechloaders so I believe this bullet was fired from something it was not intended for. here is my guess for confederate breechloaders:
Weapon
M1862 S.C. Robinson/Richmond Armory Sharps Carbine (Confederate) "Richmond Sharps"
M1859 Sharps Breechloading Carbine (Confederate) "New Model 1859"
Both of these are .52 and 6 groove. Here is some of my reasoning. US government regulation stated breechloading ammunition must be at caliber or up to .025 oversize. If we took the caliber as .52 and added the most we could oversize it would be .52 + .025 = .545 since this bullet is .537 it could in theory be fired in a breechloader like the Sharps. Since it would be oversized to the barrel that might be why lands and grooves are so plain on bullet. There are to the best of my knowledge no 6 groove .54 foreign firearms imported into this country for the CW. Just my guesses and very interesting find.
Dave
Wonder if anyone else has any ideas about this bullet.
 
Dave, Very informative! Thank you very much. Actually in reference to the bullet, I have found maybe 10 of this specific type. My brother calls them "high base minies" I'm not sure where he got that name from, but says they are confederate. They were found with alot of enfields. Anyway, thanks again.......Aaron
 
Why not put them out on the CW bullet forum. There are a lot of experts there who have seen a lot of bullets. They know the variates.
Dave
 
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