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Bottle cap ID Techniques using Signagraph Technology...

au4greg

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Using Monte's Quick Out (Love Em & Leave Em) / EPR Method :look: or My Trans Bay Off Set & AST (Agressive Sweep Technique) method (Love Em, Identify Em, Plug Em & see what's underneath Em), have previously been discussed on the various forums like Treasurenet, Findmall and Treasure Depot.:help:

This method was first developed by professionals/detectorists after motion detectors came onto the scene in the late 1970s with such models as the Bounty Hunter Red Baron 7 and White's 6000 D Series I.

While TRs, when properly tuned had no problem rejecting the steel bottle caps with lower discrimination levels, the motion detectors required higher levels.

Currently there are so many different make and models:ukflag::usaflag: (different frequencies, filter systems) of motion discriminators on the market today with increasingly refinements being made both Audio and Visually.

In my opinion, the Safe Strategy method employed to DEAL with the Steel Bottle Caps and other low conductive trash is to readily Identify Caps rather than reject them. Clean REJECTION or NULLING over trash can MASK deeper & desireable target signals.

Certain Motion Based Frequencies above 15 kHz tend to be more reactive to Iron and this includes the steel bottle cap. The bottle cap, because it is round, disrupts the magnetic field of a motion based metal detector in such a way as requiring much high levels of discrimination to cleanly reject it.

Unfortunately, HIGH levels of discrimination mean, ignoring most of the gold jewelry and nickels. So, my suggestion is to IDENTIFY rather than REJECT using lowered Discrimination Levels in combination with a sophisticated Visual Target ID system like the White's DFX Signagraph. By IDENTIFYING, you can choose to Avoid or Investigate.

The White's Spectrum/XLT/DFX Signagraphs in my opinion does the BEST job in Visually IDENTIFYING the bottle cap while using lowered discrimination levels to locate elusive gold jewelry and nickels. This Wide Resolution Display is like a Target-Finger Print ID System.

Typically with these lowered disc levels, the signal on fine gold jewelry, nickels and other lowered conductors is improved. This Signal improvement can also apply to higher deeper conductors (silver coinage), that are in close proximity to shallower trash, thus avoiding the DEEP NULLING or TARGET MASKING of desireable targets.:spin:

In this tuning scenario, your best BET is to IDENTIFY the Bottle cap (using lowered discrimination level), not REJECT IT CLEANLY (requiring significantly higher discrimination levels causing loss of depth/signal).

A Bottle cap on a White's Signagraph tends to Smear Bars across the -95 to 0 Ferrous to +1 to +95 NON-FERROUS Scale. Using the Monte or Trans Bay Method, enhances this identification characteristics. The choice to remove the bottle cap is up to you. Frequently a shallow bottle cap can be masking deeper desired targets.

When it comes to hunting in the sand, I generally just scoop up the bottle cap since removal is so easy, and it occasionally pays off with discovering other targets in close proximity including rings, watches, coins etc. The aforementioned analysis method is best used as a time saver in TURF Conditions.

As an example, although not a White's made detector, but also helps to explain my strategy method in this post, last summer, using my Minelab Excalibur 800 @ Lake Tahoe, I dug all the bottle caps in the water and frequently found coins in the same scoop using the minimum discrimination level, which still rejected the ferrous bobby pins, nails etc (maybe too much)by a prolonged dip in the threshold or null BEFORE recovery... so frequently, I'd stop, wait for the threshold to return before sweeping forward. Occasionally, I might re-trace around the area of the rejected target and finding other targets hidden in the shadow of the bottlecap which started to react before the nulling.

Conclusions: Your better off to tune your detector to Identify Trash rather than a Clean Rejection. Too many good desireable targets like jewelry hides in that -20 to +60 area, and with a DFX Signagraph, you can not only Identify the bottle cap, but spot close proximity target scenarios based on the Signagraphic Display of the Targets encountered.:thumbup: This 'Shaping' Technology is a White's Exclusive: One SOLO Bar up is an indicator of a round target. The height of the bar in relationship to the depth indicator is also one of the many clues.:laugh::happy:
 
too bad I can't use it here in Germany. The bottle caps have been made from all kinds of material here and they signal all over the chart on VDI. I can sometimes tell but don't risk not digging as it can be something nice. I have a nice bottle cap find, hard to believe but it has a nice swastika right in the middle and is embossed. HH and nice post, Mike
 
If it sounds like a rusty bottle cap when using your 6000, it is! You know that Greg!
 
Don't mean to rattle your chain or cage, the evening before the Happy New Year.

I hope your "Crazy" about Detecting and not a 5150..... my response to you is to an extent YOUR right in a general sense regarding the language of the 6000 Series (Di/XL Pro) when it comes to the Crown/Bottle Caps Rusty or otherwise. That circuit will indeed make a Rattling sound over the Crown/Bottle Cap and Tin Foil Trash as well.

HOWEVER: So will other Low Conductors, like nickels or gold rings depending on their depth in soil and the soil mineralization level. The Higher the Mineralization Level, the more rattling.

MORAL: If it rattles, it might be a serpent, crown/bottle cap OR even a Coin or piece of Jewelry. Things aren't always what they appear to be (visual or audible).

So Crazyman, don't assume every rattle from a target, whether it's deep (nickel/gold wedding band) or even shallow (White Gold Ring, Platinum, Thin Band Rings,Gold Diamond Tennis Bracelets and other fine-elusive jewelry, is by the general language of the Analog 6000 Di or XL PRO, a Bottle Cap!?! (can really drive you crazy thinking about what you may have passed up).

Be-careful about assuming that if it rattles, its junk/trash. There is more to consider than just the rattling, only part of the process of analyzing and investigation. After-all, your detecting with with a Full Filter 6000 Series Di/XL-Pro 6.59 kHz circuit and its nature is to rattle on both good/bad targets. Of course, bad targets will RELATIVELY Rattle MORE, all things CONSIDERED.
 
Ah but Greg my old friend I don't hunt for rings or any other kind of jewelry. I don't usually hunt parks or schools.If I do hunt a park which isn't often It would have to be very old. I only hunt for old coins and tokens at depth and I know the 6000's well enough after over 20 years of using them to use more than just the sound. Plus the rattle you speak of is not the same as the staccato type harmony of a deep coin. I give you permission to come up and pick up all those gold rings I've left behind. I have been fortunate to have found 3 gold coins over the years. Does that count? So, your drinking tea these days?
 
Hello Greg.....Just passing through the forum for the first time and noticed the 'SignaGraph' phrase...Me being an avid user of Whites detectors, focused in on your post.

May I make one comment as a suggestion to anyone who uses the SignaGraph as part of their detecting analysis of targets.

Please try setting the AVERAGE function to OFF, and lengthening the FADE RATE, in the display menu.

Stick with it, and realise the excellence of the White's display.
It beats the crap out of any other on the market, in this mode.
The numerical VDI is always an average of the VDI spectra, and is therefore a 'fuzzy' indicator of what the DFX has 'seen' in it sweep.

You can distinguish two targets in a repeating sweep, if those items are reasonably separated. Splattered displays tell you about the irregular shapes. Coins (or coin shaped, neat items)usually produce a collated pillar.

The display, with AVERAGE OFF, is very responsive and informative.

For those of you with DFX's, please give it a serious trial. Be patient and dig a few of the differing types of target patterns shown to learn the significance. Soon their meaning will become apparent in a meaningful way, that Averaging cannot emmulate......MattR.UK.
 
Matt,

Point well taken. Tweaking the Signagraph is something I have to revisit.

Your Tips and Suggestions are very much appreciated.

As far as Beating the Crap or the way I'd put it... Kicking the S__T out of the competition... I just smile and let that one go.
 
MattR, when I "discovered" the display with AVERAGE OFF I thought "Oh that is what they keep trying to show us". This is what I was looking for with my first DFX and could not understand why what they illustrated seeed so differenct than what I was seeing. Crunching all that data down is not my cup of tea to average. I like the "raw data" and then I will do the crunching.

I think if we don't crunch it down and learn the graph then there is hope of discrimination between targets that when averaged cannot be separated.
 
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