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Bills #s not right let's discuss

sube

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Okay my memorials come in at 43 to 44 almost all the time this is a problem I agree but my quarters come spot on at 45 to 46 as far as memorials coming in at 43 to 44 my silver dimes 90 percent of the time come in at the same #s.There's a million variables to this but he's right on the memorials I agree 100 percent this however does not concern me because all my #s are wrong where I hunt.I hunt a very trashy fair ground and I expect the #s to be wrong.Take a clean spot and place a dime or quarter 2 inches from a pull tab now sweep with coin right to left the #s are all wrong jumping all over the screen is in a meteorite shower mode and you will pass on this dig now approach from north to south as the coil hit's the coin the #s are correct but as you center the target the #s get screw up I use a 6 inch coil all the time and this is just a fact of life the stock coil is twice as bad because of the size of it 2 or 3 targets at once under the coil at 1 time always where I hunt.If you go to separate these signals they come in pretty reliable that' is pinpointing with the tip of the coil as you approach the target.Where I hunt a solid pull tab hit does not make me stop and investigate that is the target trace is solid red filled it's the pull tab hit with the meteor shower hit that interest me I will circle this target to see what's mixed with it sometimes there is a coin there if you hit it from the edge of the mass of signals as far as the screen displaying 2 or 3 target's at once it works only if you have enough space between them but if there close 2 inch or less they combine and give a average of the signals you would be surprised how many good coins come in at 30 to 35 and are silver because of this averaging out . The target trace is 100 percent more accurate than the #s this I means that the #s will be wrong but the trace will fill at the right #s and the #s on the screen will be wrong.This works if you try and separate the targets before pinpointing and mark where the high is coming from mentally on the ground and then tying to pinpoint it.As far as cherry picking dimes and quarters I don't to much good stuff will be missed doing this where I hunt because I;m hunting old coins in trash.One thing I would mention if you hunt trash you will be light years ahead in how this detector operates I find new things daily with these detector in the trash as compared to a place that has few targets.If anybody has anything to add I would appreciate it .Thanks sube
 
Your great post sube is just one of dozens of reasons why one can not depend on the numbers. Hunting by numbers is a lot like painting by numbers, neither is considered an art. My 1935 half the other day came in as a dime because it was vertical in the ground. I have also had thin seated dimes ID as Indian Head cents and I won't even mention all of the coins that come in the 12-20's to 12-30's that many people ignore. I will just post Diggers link to the ID chart for people to ponder over. http://www.findmall.com/read.php?87,1731336

Other factors influencing the TID is what mode you are hunting in, mineralization, other targets nearby, target orientation, coin wear even how "hot" you are running the detector.

The TID is just another tool to help you decide to dig or not and shouldn't be the ONLY tool. Those who dig by the numbers are missing a lot of good targets. IMHO
 
If we detected in a pristine environment, then the numbers probably would be more consistent for the types of coins we find. But, there are too many variables in the ground that affect the numbers we get on our machines. I just got my CTX earlier this week and have been doing a lot of yard detecting and air testing with different types of coins. In a Combined Ferrous/Coin mode I have dimes that range from 12-44 to 12-42. Earlier this year with my E-trac I found a Merc and a Buff in the same hole that came in as a 10-41 on the E so I air tested those two coins together with my CTX. Combined they read as 12-39; separately the Buff is 12-13/14 and the Merc is 12-42. I put together a Walker and a Merc and they air tested as 12-44. Alone the Walker is 12-46 and the Merc is 12-42. I haven't done any air testing where I've included trash alongside the good targets, but I already know it will change the numbers vice a pure coin target. As with my E-trac, when I'm using the CTX I'll be digging all good, repeatable targets and even some that sound scratchy because I hear a chirp of a high tone mixed in there, too. I don't dig every tone, but I do dig a lot......most times I'm pleased.

Sube, don't take this the wrong way, but man, your post would be a lot easier to read with some punctuation. I'm drained trying to decide where one thought ended and the next began. Help a brother out!!
 
:lol: There is a period at the end.

Seriously I think the CTX can do it all better than any other detector. But it is not perfect. Like I siad in an earlier post I think cherry pickin coins is not a job for the CTX. You will dig pennies or you will leave good targets in the ground. That is the choice. Target trace, depth, and tone are magnificent indicators. The numbers should be used in conjunction with them. Numbers by themselves should not be the deciding factor on digging. That is also the first time I saw the numbers chart. No wonder the numbers change. All the settings have an influence.
 
Mason Jarr said:
Sube, don't take this the wrong way, but man, your post would be a lot easier to read with some punctuation. I'm drained trying to decide where one thought ended and the next began. Help a brother out!!

Heh.. Wanted to say the same thing myself. Sube's posts are always informative and the guy really knows his CTX. Just hard to read the posts once in a while.
 
Great post. This is yet another example of different peoples opinion of a machine doing it's thing in different parts of the country or world for that matter. One thing I have noticed is that people want to immediately start pushing buttons and loading programs that may or may not work as well as they do in other places. Factory modes may not be perfect but they sure help you understand how the machine and functions work. The open screen works for me in some places but not all. One thing I have found is the cursor is the most accurate indicator regardless of where I am hunting or what I am hunting for. Tone first and cursor second works for me heck with the numbers. Most machines out there today does a good job at what they are supposed to do if the operator has ran them enough to understand what the machine is telling them. I would guess that if a dozen of us got together and hunted an area that no two machines would be set up the same. The CTX 3030 is not an E-Trac and should not be expected to act like one. The E-Trac is a very good machine and that is why I still have mine and use it occasionally because of all the different coils I have for it. I DO NOT like getting tricked into digging memorial pennies but that cursor will never be in the top right hand corner of the screen on a penny. Enjoy this MEMORIAL DAY weekend and get out there with your favorite machine and dig some stuff. HH :minelab:
 
I have to agree with Sube post being hard to follow also I just had to read it a few times.
Like Hershey"s post above the cursor is the main thing to glance at for the most valuable info. Depending on what's most valuable to you depends on what to look for. For me left of center is 90% of my gold finds the further left the better.
Then the farthest right it goes is next best for silver rings and coins. Its always tone for me and then the glance at the cursor and then I check the numbers to retain the info to target for future hunts. I think the ability to change the settings can really affect the hunters learning curve.
I say learn a setting that works for you and then start tweaking the dials, only after a good baseline is learned.
Todays one year for me with the 3030 and the first 3 months was lost to dial turning. September and October was better months and then Hurricane Sandy shut down my main hunting area, with some only opening this week. Still in all the machine was nearly paid for in the one years time.
I think a nice mans band would put me over if I could muster up the energy to go hunt.
BCNJ
 
Buried Crap NJ said:
I have to agree with Sube post being hard to follow also I just had to read it a few times.
Like Hershey"s post above the cursor is the main thing to glance at for the most valuable info. Depending on what's most valuable to you depends on what to look for. For me left of center is 90% of my gold finds the further left the better.
Then the farthest right it goes is next best for silver rings and coins. Its always tone for me and then the glance at the cursor and then I check the numbers to retain the info to target for future hunts. I think the ability to change the settings can really affect the hunters learning curve.
I say learn a setting that works for you and then start tweaking the dials, only after a good baseline is learned.
Todays one year for me with the 3030 and the first 3 months was lost to dial turning. September and October was better months and then Hurricane Sandy shut down my main hunting area, with some only opening this week. Still in all the machine was nearly paid for in the one years time.
I think a nice mans band would put me over if I could muster up the energy to go hunt.
BCNJ

As a newbie to the CTX, (still trying to wrap my head around this fascinating machine), this has been a very informative post! Buried Crap NJ's and hershey1's replies in particular. I would appreciate some clarification of some things regarding cursor placement, and other things said in the above posts. First of all, is cursor placement independent of TID numbers? For example, if I get a TID indicating a 12-43, the cursor placement (farther right) will help me better determine if it is a memorial or a dime for example? Also, regarding tones, logic tells me that if one is to rely on tones to determine targets, 50 Co would be the best audio setting in order to better differentiate between tones?
Thanks and HH
Chuck
 
Now breaking it into paragraphs would really make it more reader friendly. The eyes and mind need smaller bites to concentrate on. Both get lost when there are no breaks.

Many times I will not even read a post that long that is not broken up into paragraphs.
 
I has an AT-Pro before it was better on TID numbers but didnt have the depth of the 3030. I wonder if the firmware can be updated to give better target separation?
 
One thing for sure, there is always room for improvement on a detector no matter how good of a machine it is.-----I hope Minelab is taking note of this post/thread.------Very interesting discussion guys!
 
Would you or anyone have a screen shot of this "meteor shower" that you are talking about? I THINK that I know what you mean but am not sure. Thanks
 
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