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best detector for trashy sites besides smaller coil
- Thread starter kneedet
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I can say that an E-Trac with a small coil can really do well in heavy trash. I hunt in some seriously trashy spots and I've used both that and the AT-Pro with the 5x8 a lot of hours in both iron and aluminum trash. Both can get fooled by certain items but for me in my ground the E-Trac, when set up right, can edge out my AT-Pro on ID. That said you work the E-Trac slower though and cover less ground. Honestly they are both very good machines in the right hands.
The AT-Pro with the Super Sniper is a trash separator supreme but the coverage area is small. You just need patience in the junk I think and methodically work over the area. I look at it as a challenge.
I just tried a new programming setup with my E-Trac yesterday in a spot that's very old but has been pounded for decades and some of the densest trash levels I've seen. In the past I've still snagged a little out of it with both machines using various tactics but had finally seemed to exhaust it. The new approach managed to still pull a few nickels, dimes and pennies. All old clad that had been in there a long time. But it showed me the new trick worked even in extreme junk.
Now that new Minelab looks like it might surpass everything as a trash hunter but I'm going to be a long time saving up for that one!
The AT-Pro with the Super Sniper is a trash separator supreme but the coverage area is small. You just need patience in the junk I think and methodically work over the area. I look at it as a challenge.
I just tried a new programming setup with my E-Trac yesterday in a spot that's very old but has been pounded for decades and some of the densest trash levels I've seen. In the past I've still snagged a little out of it with both machines using various tactics but had finally seemed to exhaust it. The new approach managed to still pull a few nickels, dimes and pennies. All old clad that had been in there a long time. But it showed me the new trick worked even in extreme junk.
Now that new Minelab looks like it might surpass everything as a trash hunter but I'm going to be a long time saving up for that one!
Larry (IL)
Well-known member
As you can tell by now, there is no "best" detector for trash, everyone promotes their favorite and I'm surprised the Tesoro fans have not jumped in yet. Any of the fast recovery detectors from any of the Tesoros to the Deus will get the job done and you can also include detectors that have adjustable recovery speeds like the White's V series. What is trashy to you might mean clean ground to someone else, so we really don't know what you need for your ground, but a slow recovery detector with a small coil may work as good as a fast recovery detector with a larger coil but nothing is better than a fast recovery with a small coil.
Critterhunter
New member
IMHO a fast machine has no better ability to unmask stuff than a slow machine *so long as you keep your sweep slow with a slow machine*. The key to unmasking isn't recovery speed to me, it's a good sharp DD detection line. Yes, fast recovery machines allow you to swing better, but it still can't separate what it can't see separately, and that's where the coil is the key. The 12x10 is just outstanding in how well it will separate left/right on targets. When it comes to REALLY heavy trash I like to use a 5" coil. Oddly it's DD line doesn't seem as sharp/tight as the 12x10, but of course the length of the detection line is only 5.5" instead of 12", so that's where it shines for heavy trashy. I prefer the smallest round coil for heavy trash. Yes, those odd shaped tiny coils are awesome because they try to retain separation while increasing depth, but to me that's a trade off. I want max separation and depth is secondary, so that's why I prefer the smallest round coil I can find. I find it still gets excellent depth anyway because it's a DD coil and in my experience they seem to hold their depth better when they get real small compared to concentrics I've owned 6" or smaller.
Quote Critterhunter..........."IMHO a fast machine has no better ability to unmask stuff than a slow machine *so long as you keep your sweep slow"
I agree with what your theory is on sweep speed. That said, some of the newer machines with lightening fast recovery have proved to unmask targets better. Your not getting the full null effect some machines have in their reset abilities.........Even a slow reset machine is darn fast.............and the right person knowing their machine can recover many targets close to each other.. That is a given.
The faster processor machines eliminate some of the null time... That's all I'm saying... It can help with null time ( No detection of targets) during reset time making it easier and many times faster recovery for many of us.Unless your crawl detecting with a BBS or FBS type machine most of us tend to sweep a little fast. As Larry stated nothing beats a fast recovery and small coil..
I agree with what your theory is on sweep speed. That said, some of the newer machines with lightening fast recovery have proved to unmask targets better. Your not getting the full null effect some machines have in their reset abilities.........Even a slow reset machine is darn fast.............and the right person knowing their machine can recover many targets close to each other.. That is a given.
The faster processor machines eliminate some of the null time... That's all I'm saying... It can help with null time ( No detection of targets) during reset time making it easier and many times faster recovery for many of us.Unless your crawl detecting with a BBS or FBS type machine most of us tend to sweep a little fast. As Larry stated nothing beats a fast recovery and small coil..
Critterhunter
New member
There are several factors involved in unmasking ability. Recovery speed being one, and that is largely controllable by proper coil use. Second would be discrimination level, but there are ways around that too...A good sharp field can more cleanly "see" and then "not see" the junk and thus be more ready to go from "rejection mode" to "accepting mode" when it sees the coin. It's like turning a page so you are clearly reading the next one. A sharp field that bleeds less into the junk while it's also trying to see the coin helps with that and makes the lag time from discrimination (going from rejection mode to accepting mode) less of a factor. Not saying one is better than the other here. Just saying there are two ways to skin that cat in my experience.
I've owned fast machines and I've owned slow ones. Sure, there are days I miss being able to swing fast for say clad hunting or scouting the woods looking for any signal to indicate human activity, but I don't worry about unmasking ability in terms of recovery speed anymore. Years ago I thought recovery speed was the key to unmasking. Probably for the better part of my detecting years I believed that up until a few years ago when I saw what a good DD coil could do on even a slow machine. So long as you control your sweep speed recovery speed is a non-factor. The only real way to unmask better is to separate better. The coil needs to be able to see the good target and not the junk, and to do that you need a good sharp detection field such as a high quality DD coil or the even more impressive tight laser like left/right field of the 12x10. Here's the real test...With two targets at the same depth and so close they are overlapping a bit, if the machine can still wiggle over and separate those two targets via a sharp DD detection line then you know you're in business. I've had fast machines that couldn't do that, but I've had slow machines that could because of how sharp the DD detection line is. Can't get any more masked than that for the most part.
If you don't like to swing slow then by all means your best bet is a fast machine. Having owned many fast machines over the years I didn't care for having to sweep slow, but now after being forced to on a few machines I'll have to say that I prefer sweeping slow most days now. I feel I can work a small area more thoroughly by going slow, and I just couldn't do that with some of my fast machines that required a faster sweep or they would start to degrade target quality. Still, there are some days I'm just not in the mood to crawl along and would prefer a fast machine, but those get fewer and fewer as time goes by. Both have their pros and cons. If you don't like to crawl along then it's a fast machine all the way. Just don't count on being fast being the only answer to unmasking stuff. That all depends on the coil, so make sure it's a good one.
I've owned fast machines and I've owned slow ones. Sure, there are days I miss being able to swing fast for say clad hunting or scouting the woods looking for any signal to indicate human activity, but I don't worry about unmasking ability in terms of recovery speed anymore. Years ago I thought recovery speed was the key to unmasking. Probably for the better part of my detecting years I believed that up until a few years ago when I saw what a good DD coil could do on even a slow machine. So long as you control your sweep speed recovery speed is a non-factor. The only real way to unmask better is to separate better. The coil needs to be able to see the good target and not the junk, and to do that you need a good sharp detection field such as a high quality DD coil or the even more impressive tight laser like left/right field of the 12x10. Here's the real test...With two targets at the same depth and so close they are overlapping a bit, if the machine can still wiggle over and separate those two targets via a sharp DD detection line then you know you're in business. I've had fast machines that couldn't do that, but I've had slow machines that could because of how sharp the DD detection line is. Can't get any more masked than that for the most part.
If you don't like to swing slow then by all means your best bet is a fast machine. Having owned many fast machines over the years I didn't care for having to sweep slow, but now after being forced to on a few machines I'll have to say that I prefer sweeping slow most days now. I feel I can work a small area more thoroughly by going slow, and I just couldn't do that with some of my fast machines that required a faster sweep or they would start to degrade target quality. Still, there are some days I'm just not in the mood to crawl along and would prefer a fast machine, but those get fewer and fewer as time goes by. Both have their pros and cons. If you don't like to crawl along then it's a fast machine all the way. Just don't count on being fast being the only answer to unmasking stuff. That all depends on the coil, so make sure it's a good one.
Phillip_in_NM
Member
supertraq said:Best machine in heavy trash is a John Deere frontend loader and a big arse sieve.
So true!!!
WV62
Well-known member
I will go with what I have and know, the new F75Ltd with DST and the new FA processor. It has a very fast processor and then they made it with a shorter sound duration, which makes it have a lot better separation in the trash. The down side is it has a noticeable depth lose.
Ron in WV
Ron in WV
In the nail pits.....currently the best out there coil size for coil size are Nokta CoRe and Makro Racer with small OOR coil. And for a 9" coil setup XP Deus.
Now
I have read most of this thread.
Recovery speed is very important as is coil performance (tightness), but there is one more thing-------the way the detector processes, brings tone.
Bleedy audio allows for more info to be transferred to the ops ears. And the 3 detectors above do just that.
There are some other above average performers, but right now IMO these 3 are the trump cards. There is another or even maybe 2 more trump cards a coming. A smaller coil for XP deus and a Detector made by Nokta called an impact.
I have used all 3 detectors mentioned above and they are serious performers in iron. I have hunted sites with them pounded by other flagships detectors and made some great finds.
It's surprising to me at just how many good finds are still laying at less than 6" in the ground in spots pounded by supposedly great detectors with many sized coils used.
Now
I have read most of this thread.
Recovery speed is very important as is coil performance (tightness), but there is one more thing-------the way the detector processes, brings tone.
Bleedy audio allows for more info to be transferred to the ops ears. And the 3 detectors above do just that.
There are some other above average performers, but right now IMO these 3 are the trump cards. There is another or even maybe 2 more trump cards a coming. A smaller coil for XP deus and a Detector made by Nokta called an impact.
I have used all 3 detectors mentioned above and they are serious performers in iron. I have hunted sites with them pounded by other flagships detectors and made some great finds.
It's surprising to me at just how many good finds are still laying at less than 6" in the ground in spots pounded by supposedly great detectors with many sized coils used.