Beach saltwater detector

[boxofchocolates]

OK guys I now have a whites bhid for the beach..I just want more depth also recently got the F75LTD which I like Im thinking of fisher brands now for the beach when the thaw comes any and all info would be appreciated......good luck hunting.......Dan

 

[tvr]

Dan,
I've read some good things about the BHID when it's set up correctly for conditions. I am guessing it was about a year ago that there were discussions on the beach / water forum about who to check with on settings for them under various conditions. I think they also pointed to one of the white's forums here but I did not follow the entire discussion. Might be worthwhile to do some forum searches on the BHID.

The CZ's do very well handling the salt conditions at the beach. I've got a CZ-6a that is pretty much my go to beach detector if I'm not going into the water. In the water I use a CZ-20 or a Pulse Induction detector.

My couple of outings with the F75 LTD at the beach showed that it can do a great job but I really needed to stay on top of the ground balance to keep it detecting deep over the wet salt sand. If I moved nearer or farther away from the water line by 10 feet or so I needed to adjust the ground balance. The detector pretty much told me it wasn't happy because it would start giving frequent non-repeatable zips and squawks until rebalanced.

The CZ's are much more forgiving and don't need as much adjusting as you move around the beach. They are solid performers and do a very good job with not a lot of fuss. They have a relatively short learning curve.
tvr

 

[boxofchocolates]

Tvr...I actually like the bhid found some good things with it in and out of the water the red light for iron will save some dig time....the wet sand will allow you some depth... a quarter at 10 inches is not bad
I was thinking about a submersable fisher unit sometimes I get on out there chest deep.....thanks for the info.....good luck Dan.

 

[Dan-Pa.]

A weather resistant CZ model as with the saltmode especially for the wet sand usually handles most beaches quite well...Old technology at its finest....as far as settings on your units going to have to experiment as no two beaches are the same or for that matter change from day to day depending on the wave currents...

 

[1seeker]

Go excalibur im a fisher man also but for the water bought 2 excaliburs
,they dont love iron ,cz21s do ,Earl cz70pro ,f75,excal8ny,excal8 blue

 

[tvr]

Can't comment on Excal as I haven't used one yet; however ... I keep hearing CZ's, of what ever version, all love iron. That has not been my experience.

If you set the disc at the zero setting, so you clearly hear the low tones, and slow down the swing if you get a low tone break to high tone, and hear it stays low tone, you will dig very little iron unless you choose to just see what it is and dig anyway. If it is a low tone break to mid-tone, chances are it won't stay low tone when you slow down and it's a must dig.

I am guessing that those who claim a CZ loves iron are discriminating out iron, swinging too fast and digging high tone falses that if you slow down will not repeat well if they repeat at all. Both higher discrimination and too fast a sweep can hurt detection depth as well as target identification.
tvr

PS sorry for the run on sentences.

 

[therover]

Tvr,

I think one also has to learn the CZ and how to 'size' the target using the VCO pin point option and detuing. Also, switching to autotune/all metal and actually listening to what the machine is telling you can help. You do get some good info in all metal once one starts to learn the machine.

You are correct in that the number one thing to do is always run in discrim setting of 0 unless there is sooooo much small iron you can't take all the low tone hits. Running anything higher always runs the risk of not hearing the low tone. Learned my lesson the hard way. I dug TONS of iron the first 6 months or so cuz I ways always discriminating it out. I know Fisher stated that the CZ's don't loose depth when you up the discrim, but even so, not listening to the iron can make hunters dig lots of it.

Iron not pin pointing in the same spot works most times, but I feel sizing the target is more accurate. Or course you will get fooled from time to time. Shallow iron almost always stays low tone.

On the beach though, I am digging some deeper low tone targets because I have dug a few gold items that low toned weak and bounced into the mid tone every so often. Have to dig the deep, weak low tone signals on the beach that bounce mid tone..even once. Also, like you state, sweep slow...and sweep at ALL angles.

Won't give up my CZ's for any detector. I have learned them and they do me good.

JC

 

[1seeker]

Tvr, you are wright ,listen i love to dig everything hardly ever used disc ,all metal auto 99% of the time and i do dig the low tone iron ,only took the fz12.5 out once with the cz70pro ,the f75 i still havnt mastered ,thier is a second run on the f75Ltds so if you wanted one they will be available ,me i am waiting for the new fisher machine ,and waiting for the next excalibur version after the excal2 to come out maybe better than bbs technology These machines are high $ so im getting picky lol Post your post on the Sunray forum, hopefully Sunray gets the hint to bring back the 12.5 sunray invader coil ,The mine lab excaliburs have that sweet gold sound tone ,gold is over$ 1100 a oz ,they dont like iron at all ,also ive been reading on some other forums ,people are having problems with the cz21 and have not used them long ,never the less my choice for water hunting is the Excalibur ny ,Excalibur blue 8 inch coils ,will wait for new water machine to come out above and beyond the excalibur 2 ,take care happy hunting Big Earl Maryland

 

[tvr]

JC,
Thanks for the additional notes on information the detector provides when pinpointing. I try to quickly size with the CZ 6a but not to use too much pinpoint on the 6a unless I've got an extra set of batteries in my pocket; which I don't always carry but should. The 6a runs many fewer hours on the batteries when I use a lot of pinpoint than when I use it sparingly. The CZ-20 no longer has a pinpoint switch; it's removed and the opening sealed; a compromise on water leak integrity that was much less money to do than making it essentially a new CZ 21. Walking around the target while slowly sweeping is what my better half says is like the dog chasing it's tail but much slower and way more boring to watch.

Anything that bounces mid tone on the beach and isn't on the surface ... kind of have to dig.

Still have a ways to go learning autotune and what it can tell me. Last beach hunt with the 6a was using it a good bit as it spreads the search area wider. Before that hunt was not using it much at all.

Any other autotune hints?

Some day I hope to make one or two finds during a summer similar to what you turned up during your Reale good summer!
Cheers,
tvr

 

[1seeker]

tvr just letting you know took the excalabur blue 800 out for the 2nd time found about 5.00 in change ,a pen knife,a key,abought 20 lead sinkers ,a gold garnet ring with a small diamond ,and a one stone carot ,not tested yet for a real diamond ,i loved the machine ,i still like the fisher cz21s ,i would buy a used one if the price is wright ,just like i bought the excals used save some money ,happy hunting Earl Maryland